Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Joysee Cartagena's coworkers at JetBlue know something is awry when she fails to log in for work—a complete break from her reliable character. Soon after, her lifeless body is found in her home in Sanford, Florida, a zip tie around her neck igniting a slew of investigative questions. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dissect the intricacies of Joysee's perplexing death, weaving together cutting-edge forensic science with real-world implications. The hosts explore everything from forensic markers like ligatures and Tardieu spots to the complex relationship dynamics between Joysee and her boyfriend, Joel Bauza. As they delve into the timeline, scrutinize the evidence, and discuss the eventual charges, their unwavering goal remains: to shed light on the truth behind Joysee's untimely death.   Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan introduces the complexities of death investigation. The discussion opens with abnormal elements that investigators often encounter. 00:01:40 — Joe delves deeper into the relevance of zip ties in an ongoing case in Sanford, Florida. He details their significance in the overall forensic investigation. 00:03:20 — Dave Mack introduces the story of Joel Bauza and Joysee Cartagena. He portrays Joysee as a caring individual who always put others first, while Joel appears financially dependent on her. 00:04:40 — Joysee's work history and her job at JetBlue are discussed. Dave reveals how important her career was to her. 00:05:00 — The red flag goes up when Joysee misses work. Her coworkers' immediate concern sets the stage for the investigation. 00:05:40 — Emphasizing the importance of timelines in death investigations, Joseph Scott Morgan argues that every minute counts when piecing together the facts. 00:07:42 — Morgan brings up the uncommon circumstances surrounding Joysee’s death. The atypical nature of the case required extra attention from detectives and crime scene techs. 00:09:08 — Dave discusses the zip tie and signs of a struggle. He lays out potential scenarios that could explain Joysee’s untimely death. 00:10:39 — Suicide as a possible result of a domestic dispute is pondered. It’s a heartbreaking thought, yet critical to the investigation. 00:11:11 — Joe Scott instructs on letting the environment of a crime scene "speak" to the investigator. He warns against being influenced by others present. 00:16:00 — The importance of leaving a ligature in place at a crime scene is brought to light. It’s a detail that can have far-reaching implications. 00:17:40 — Morgan questions why the ligature was not removed in Joysee’s case. The unanswered action hints at a potential suspect. 00:19:00 — Joe Scott explains the process of proving a suicide and emphasizes the importance of treating all deaths as homicides until proven otherwise. 00:23:00 — Dave points out delays in the criminal justice process. 00:25:00 — The physical evidence, particularly multiple abrasions on Joysee’s body, is dissected. Joe Scott posits that these suggest a struggle. 00:30:13 — Joseph Scott Morgan introduces the topic of ligatures, which are often seen in hangings. He provides an insight into the presence of Tardieu spots, a specific type of petechiae, and how they appear in cases of strangulation. 00:33:21 — The hosts discuss the pressure points on a zip tie during strangulation and how they can be traced post-mortem. 00:37:20 — Addressing mental health, Joseph Scott Morgan acknowledges listeners struggling with suicidal thoughts, provides the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline number, and emphasizes the importance of seeking help.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

14 Sep 202338min

Robert and Georgette Sturmfels, spending the winter holiday season in their cozy Florida home, are blissfully unaware that their lives are about to be irrevocably shattered. Tragically, their lives abruptly end on December 20, 1989, as they become the victims of a chilling double homicide. In this episode, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the horrifying details of the Sturmfels' murders. They meticulously unravel the case, from the suspect's choice of a 22-caliber rifle to the unsettling finality of the crime scene. The conversation goes beyond the murder itself to examine its broader implications, such as the weapon's surprising lethality, common misconceptions about gunshot wounds, and the cold-blooded nature of the perpetrator.   Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan starts off with a touching reflection on Christmas. From stress to joy, his sentiments evolve over time, especially as he becomes a grandfather. At 00:01:20 — The tragic case of Robert and Georgette Sturmfels is introduced by Joe Scott. Their murder in Florida sets the stage for a disconcerting episode. 00:04:20 — Diving deeper, Joseph Scott Morgan paints a vivid picture of the Sturmfels' murder. He describes the horrific scene in disquieting detail. 00:05:20 — Louis Gaskin, the suspect, is discussed by Dave Mack. He outlines Gaskin's ruthlessness and the premeditation behind the crime. 00:06:20 — Weaponry is the topic as Joe Scott and Dave debate the lethal nature of a 22-caliber rifle used in the crime. 00:08:00 — A lesson in firearms ensues as Joseph Scott Morgan distinguishes between long arms and pistols, explaining why the latter is more easily concealed. 00:10:20 — Unveiling the crime, Dave shares how Louis Gaskin meticulously planned, and executed the murders of the Sturmfels couple. 00:12:20 — Debunking Hollywood myths, Joseph Scott Morgan explains that gunshot wounds are not just dramatic effects; victims often realize they've been shot and experience pain. 00:13:00 — Gaskin's own words add horror to the narrative as Dave recounts the unsettling sounds Mrs. Sturmfels made during her final moments. 00:14:20 — Joe Scott dives into the world of forensics, explaining how a gunshot through glass has implications on bullet behavior. He describes how the bullet’s trajectory and energy are affected upon impact. 00:17:04 — Joseph Scott Morgan elaborates on snipers and the adjustments they have to make due to the influence of gravity on bullets, especially when glass is involved. 00:20:36 — The episode’s atmosphere becomes tenser as Morgan and Mack discuss Gaskin's execution of Mr. Sturmfels and his chilling confession. 00:21:00 — The term "death wheeze" is introduced as Joe Scott explains the physiological impact of a gunshot wound to the lungs. 00:24:01 — Dave summarizes Gaskin's crime spree; from killing to covering the bodies with blankets and burglary. 00:24:35  — Gaskin, dressed in all black and carrying a 22 rifle, drives to the home of Joseph and Mary Rector, where he shoots at them after waking them up. 00:26:20 — Dave Mack discusses the gunshot wounds and how the Rectors managed to escape. 00:28:20 — The hosts ponder Gaskin's motivations, diving into the psychology behind these appalling acts. 00:33:40 — The episode concludes with Joseph Scott Morgan revealing the final fate of the killer, a grim but just end to a twisted journey.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

12 Sep 202333min

Jonathan Willette is brutally murdered, his headless body discovered under mysterious circumstances and a chemical haze. The case is rife with complex family dynamics and an ever-changing narrative from the accused. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic complexities of identifying a headless victim, the psychology behind such gruesome acts, and the role of familial dynamics in criminal investigations. Morgan lends his expertise on death investigation, discussing everything from chemical smells at crime scenes to the increasing trend of decapitation cases. Together, they offer a comprehensive and chilling look into a murder case that defies easy explanation.   Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the stage by discussing the complexities of death investigation. He introduces the episode's focus on the perplexing case of Jonathan Willette. 00:01:00 — The unique and complicated relationship dynamics in Jonathan Willette's case are revealed by Morgan. He describes how these complexities add another layer to the already gruesome murder. 00:02:00 — Dave Mack chimes in with his perspective, likening the case to a horror movie titled "Headless in Las Vegas." He discusses the emotional toll of discovering a loved one in such a state. 00:03:40 — Morgan uses the term "familial dynamic" to express his confusion over the complex family relationships in this case. He questions how these dynamics could have played into the crime. 00:04:00 — A haunting image is painted by Morgan as he describes the moment the victim's mother discovered her son's headless body.  00:05:20 — Mack outlines the complicated relationship between the victim and his son, adding another layer of complexity to the case. 00:07:53 — Insurance could be a motive, suggests Morgan. He also alludes to a sinister confession made by the perpetrator during police questioning. 00:09:10 — A lighter moment occurs as Dave Mack recounts a humorous story from years ago. He describes a terrifying experience involving a seemingly breathing corpse. 00:11:04 — What's the protocol for a decapitated body? Mack inquires, leading Morgan to explain the crucial role of the medical examiner in such cases and elaborates on his role in crime scene investigations, particularly in cases involving severe body mutilation. 00:15:01 — The gruesome topic of decapitation in murder cases is discussed by both hosts. They ponder the mindset of the perpetrator and the circumstances under which it can happen. 00:18:42 — Mack questions the lack of a blood trail and the presence of a chemical smell at the crime scene, adding another layer of mystery. 00:19:30 — Morgan shares his experience with dangerous chemical combinations in morgues, highlighting the risks involved. 00:22:09 — Cleaning products at the crime scene? Morgan speculates on an attempt to clean up and what evidence might remain. 00:23:00 — The challenges of finding a disposed head in a garbage bin are explored by Morgan. He discusses the logistical difficulties involved. 00:23:40 — The accused admits to hitting Willette in the head, leading to a discussion on her changing narrative. 00:24:00 — Mack points out inconsistencies in the accused's story, questioning the credibility of her statements. 00:24:40 — The physical appearance of the body and a missing meat cleaver raise more questions for Mack. 00:25:20 — Morgan delves into the mechanics of using a meat cleaver for decapitation, discussing the likely injuries and marks left on the body. 00:27:00 — The episode wraps up with Morgan talking about potential tool marks that could help identify the weapon used. At the time of recording, authorities have only an accused person.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

7 Sep 202327min

Thirteen vulnerable babies in the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal ward fell victim to a series of horrifying crimes that shocked the medical community. Subjected to methods as cruel as air injections and insulin poisoning, their lives were put at grave risk. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack unravel the dark tale of Lucy Letby, the nurse responsible for these atrocities. They explore the systemic failures that allowed these crimes to go unnoticed, the role of autopsies in such cases, and the psychological aspects that might have driven Letby to commit these heinous acts that have forever changed the landscape of neonatal care   Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan opens the episode discussing the vulnerability of newborns and infants.  00:01:17 — Joe Scott introduces the term "neonates," explaining that these babies are even more susceptible to harm due to premature birth or physical issues. 00:01:42 — The conversation focuses on the case of Lucy Letby, a nurse who attacked 13 babies in the neonatal ward.  00:03:19 — Dave Mack notes that Lucy had specialized training for the neonatal unit. Her problems began almost as soon as she started working there. 00:04:00 — A brief history of the Countess of Chester Hospital is provided. Dave Mack points out that Lucy was the common denominator in all the cases. 00:09:03 — Joe Scott highlights the odd nature of the medication errors and the strict procedures for medication access.  00:10:44 — The methodology used in administering medication through an indwelling IV is discussed, providing insight into how Lucy could carry out her actions. 00:14:44 — Joe Scott talks about the usual procedures when a baby is in distress. He points out that the unexpected reactions of the babies could have raised suspicions. 00:15:37 — Joseph Scott Morgan discusses the role of autopsies in understanding deaths. He notes how this process can be compromised in cases involving premature babies. 00:17:04 — A description is provided of the chilling scenario of a neonatal unit to which a dangerous person has access.  00:20:00 — Joe details the lethal effects of air injections in the bloodstream and in feeding tubes, one of the methods Lucy used, causing immense pain and cardiac arrest. He talks about  00:24:17 — Dave Mack talks about the unexpected nature of a nurse being a killer. He also talks about the moment a mother discovers Lucy in the act. 00:28:00 — The damning evidence found at Lucy's home, including clinical notes and confessions, is discussed.  00:30:40 — Joseph Scott Morgan talks about the final three murders, including two brothers who were part of a set of triplets. He confirms that Lucy can be classified as a serial killer, pointing out the rarity of female serial killersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

5 Sep 202335min

Keith Palumbo and David Rossillo Jr. meet a grim fate in a double homicide; their bodies are discovered concealed inside a crypt within the eerie, abandoned Mount Moriah Cemetery. Unraveling the complexities of this chilling case, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the labyrinthine investigation that led authorities to the hidden burial site, thanks to a tip about Keith's disappearance and the involvement of a woman with close ties to both the Warlocks Motorcycle Club in Philadelphia and the cemetery. The episode delves into the forensic intricacies—from gunshot residue on decomposing bodies to the challenges of DNA matching—and uncovers the lengths criminals will go to hide their heinous acts. It also touches on the human stories behind the headlines, offering a gripping journey through the dark corners of crime and justice.    Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan discusses his comfort around the dead and introduces the topic of a double homicide case involving an old, abandoned burial ground. 00:02:14 — Joe Scott talks about Mount Moriah, a cemetery named after a biblical location.  00:03:00 — Dave Mack introduces the victims, Keith Palumbo, a musician and tattoo artist, and David Rossillo Jr.,  who had no known connections to the Warlocks Motorcycle Club in Philadelphia.  00:04:00 — Discussion of how Keith's disappearance was reported and the significant tip that led police to start their search at the cemetery.  00:07:36 — Highlighting the logistical difficulties of the investigation, Joe Scott explains the challenges of accessing the burial site due to its depth and lack of a ladder or staircase.  00:09:00 — Dave mentions that the police were expecting to find Keith Palumbo but discovered David Rossillo Jr.'s body as well. Morgan discusses the state of Rossillo’s remains. 00:11:00 — The hosts speculate about the crypt being used as a common dumping ground by organized crime groups, raising questions about the extent of criminal activity. 00:14:48 — Discussion about the significance of the carpet found at the crime scene, and speculation on its potential connection to the body. 00:15:00 — Morgan begins to explain what forensic evidence can be obtained from a decomposing body, particularly when a gunshot wound to the head is involved. 00:17:00 — An explanation of how bruises can still be detected on a decomposing body. 00:21:31 — The process of transferring remains from a crypt to a medical examiner's wagon, with added emphasis on the importance of maintaining the integrity of the remains. 00:25:22 — The challenges the police faced in identifying the bodies, particularly David Rossillo Jr., who had not been reported missing, and the role of informants in criminal investigations, particularly within tightly-knit organizations like motorcycle clubs. 00:32:53 — Joe Scott Morgan delves into the difficulties of determining a cause of death with skeletal remains, especially if the skull is fractured or parts are missing. He elaborates on how animals can complicate an investigation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

31 Aug 202337min

Lovetta Armstead and her young daughter Jazzmen face a nightmarish reality: they are murdered in cold blood by Gary Green within the walls of their own home, the very space that should be their sanctuary. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the complexities of this chilling case, from Lovetta's thwarted plans to escape her malevolent partner to the unsettling psychology driving Green's actions. The episode uncovers letters that reveal Lovetta's intentions to leave her husband and the twisted psychology behind Green's devastating actions. With commentary on sharp and incised wounds, duct tape restraints, and a myriad of forensic evidence, this episode serves as a haunting yet informative dive into the harsh realities that forensic professionals confront in their quest for justice.   Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the tone with personal anecdotes about death and introduces the spine-chilling family murder case. 00:03:00 — Dave Mack provides further context on the Armstead family and the malevolent Gary Green. 00:05:00 — Mack shares Lovetta Armstead’s gut-wrenching letters that reveal her desire to escape from Green; one particular letter outlines his calculated intentions to annihilate his family. 00:08:23 — Sharp force injuries are explained by Morgan, introducing listeners to the intricacies of homicidal drowning. 00:09:16 — Discussion of the brevity of Gary Green and Lovetta Armstead's marriage and the circumstances that led up to the fatal event. 00:10:24 — Morgan elaborates on the calculated tactics employed by Green, emphasizing his control over the fatal situation. 00:13:24 — The sequence of the murders is discussed by Morgan, suggesting the chilling possibility that Jazzmen was made to witness her mother’s murder. 00:15:42 — Incised wounds versus stab wounds are clarified, enlightening listeners on how these affect the body differently. 00:16:20 — The aftermath of a stabbing is graphically detailed, spotlighting the ensuing blood and damage. 00:18:40 — Jazzmen’s autopsy details are revealed, including the heartbreaking signs that she struggled until her last breath. 00:21:00 — The complexities of determining fatal stab wounds.  00:24:36 — Joe Scott discusses the frightful reality of internal bleeding, especially in cases involving multiple stab wounds. 00:27:01 — Causes of death like hypoxia and signs of drowning are detailed by Morgan, rounding out the episode’s comprehensive forensic analysis. 00:30:39 — Joseph Scott Morgan comments on the chilling aftermath and Gary Green’s actions post-crime, wrapping up the episode with a look at the ultimate consequences. 00:32:20 — A recount of the dreadful discovery made by the surviving siblings.  00:32:40 — The timeline of the crime’s aftermath, including Gary Green’s eventual death sentence.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

29 Aug 202332min

Several guests fall gravely ill and lose their lives after attending a meal hosted by Erin Patterson. Among the victims, the symptoms were immediate and severe, but curiously, Erin's symptoms did not align with the rest, casting a shadow of suspicion over her. In this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dive into the twisted tale of the death cap mushroom, a case that sends shockwaves across Victoria, Australia. From exploring the forensic complexities of the case to uncovering the historical context of poisonings, Joe Scott and Dave guide listeners through a web of mysteries, detailed autopsy procedures, and the legal intricacies that come into play.  Time codes: [00:00:20] Joseph Scott Morgan discusses various types of mushrooms, ending with the fatal death cap mushroom. [00:03:04] Dave Mack tells the story of Erin and Simon Patterson's split, the deadly lunch, and the unfolding drama. [00:05:11] A twist is revealed when Dave states that Erin's symptoms do not match those of the other guests. [00:08:01] Joe Scott discusses the challenges of identifying toxins in a body. [00:13:20] A pattern of people falling ill when Erin cooks, dating back to May 2022, is revealed. [00:15:36] Details are shared about the gruesome effects of toxins on the liver and kidneys. [00:18:44] Joe Scott contemplates intentional poisoning. [00:19:16] References to historical cases of poisoning with death cap mushrooms. [00:25:00] Morgan explains food identification even after digestion. [00:30:33] Insight into the role of pathologists adds legal dimensions.  [00:32:40] Questions about weaponizing common food items open a new line of inquiry. [00:33:21] Joe Scott emphasizes the importance of medical charting. [00:35:20] The investigation's scope broadens when considering other geographically close cases.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

24 Aug 202336min

When law enforcement takes aim at Roy McGrath, the incident leaves behind not only a dead man but a perplexing forensic puzzle. The complex details of this case, including McGrath's alleged financial misdeeds, his relationship with Governor Larry Hogan, and a controversial severance package, set the stage for a dramatic investigation. Hosts Joe Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore McGrath's political career, high-end fugitive lifestyle, and the fascinating forensics behind his demise. From the discovery of McGrath's SUV outside of Knoxville to the intricate process of examining gunshot wounds at the morgue, this episode dives deep into the truth and uncertainty that permeate the world of forensic science. A tale of bullets, lies, and a pursuit for truth, it's a story that's as complex as the wound tracks left behind.   Time codes: [00:00:00] Joseph Scott Morgan introduces the episode's topic, exploring law enforcement shootings and who investigates these incidents. He mentions the case of Roy McGrath, who was in the national spotlight and was being searched for by the FBI and U.S. Marshals. [00:01:40] The critical question is asked: who polices the police? [00:02:00] Joe Scott and Dave discuss the background of Roy McGrath, including his alleged financial misdeeds. [00:03:40] The controversial severance package from the Maryland Environmental Service (MES) involving Roy McGrath is unveiled. [00:08:41] Dave explains McGrath's reaction to the news of his fraudulent activities being exposed. [00:09:40] The challenge of evading modern law enforcement agencies with advanced technology. [00:12:17] Discussion about the suspect's escape, his property in Florida, and the fact that he had no plans of appearing in court. [00:15:25] The dramatic scene unfolds where the FBI locates McGrath outside of Knoxville, raising questions about potential risks to bystanders. [00:18:20] The case's complexity is explored, particularly the two separate wound tracks from simultaneous gunfire. [00:23:22] An explanation of the process of examining gunshot wounds, illuminating hidden details. [00:24:26] Morgan delves into the 'lead storm' concept, fragmenting lead that helps determine bullet trajectory. [00:26:29] The difficulty in determining McGrath's cause of death is discussed, despite there being a gunshot wound. [00:28:40] The concept of "acoustic shadows" is introduced as are questions about the process of reconstructing the event, touching on potential legal aspects. [00:30:08] Morgan concludes, emphasizing the value of truth and uncertainty.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

22 Aug 202328min