Alvin Ashcraft: Community Conferences - Episode 378

Today's guest is Jeffrey Opdam, an ALM Ranger, which is a recognized group related to the Azure DevOps Product Team at Microsoft. Jeffrey loves doing crazy continuous delivery stuff with TFS, VSTS, Azure DevOps — including coaching. He also loves DDD and CQRS and does Software Architect integrated with DevOps. But, most importantly, he's a proud dad! In this episode, Jeffrey is speaking on the topic of Azure DevOps with AWS. He shares his career journey and many of the experiences he has gained as the owner of Lean Phoenix, a company that is dedicated to helping its customers build high-quality software and services. Jeffrey has a wealth of experience in software architect and has done some pretty interesting projects in his career. Be sure to listen in to hear Jeffrey's key insights on integrating Azure DevOps with AWS! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About today's guest, Jeffrey Opdam! [1:35] Jeffrey welcomes Jeffrey Opdam to the podcast. [1:52] Jeffrey speaks about his career journey and some of the important moments that have really shaped it. [3:27] Jeffrey speaks about how in his current projects he's doing a lot with making Cloud resources, having AWS do his bidding, and actually governing the DevOps environment with the Azure DevOps product but with the software environments in AWS. [4:24] Is Jeffrey using Azure DevOps Services or Server? [4:31] Are all the agents VMs inside AWS? [4:47] What type of system is Jeffrey's team working on at Lean Phoenix? [5:43] Jeffrey speaks about how it is not just one application, but actually a DevOps environment that they have designed and implemented for an entire ecosystem of applications for multiple teams. [6:50] Roughly, how many software applications and how many builds per day does their system run? [7:22] Jeffrey speaks about how they're integrating Azure DevOps with AWS so that it's done in a trusted manner. [8:28] How does Jeffrey manage spinning up all the images and maintaining them? [9:29] For Windows to spin up a new agent does it lie in AWS rather than Azure DevOps? [10:16] Before Jeffrey designed and implemented this system, what was it like for the teams? [12:11] Does Jeffrey agree with the sentiment that "builds are really just a big test"? [13:11] Are all of Jeffrey's pre-production and production environments for all of the software systems all in AWS? [13:39] Jeffrey shares what he has learned through automatically deploying a variety of applications with varying architectures. [15:14] If Jeffrey were to help a team get the next new application up and running, what would be his advice for the most flexible and drama-free environment shape to choose in AWS? [16:55] In the same scenario, what would he recommend for web applications and SQL server databases? [17:40] Jeffrey sheds some light on the differences between Docker and Kubernetes in AWS. [19:22] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:50] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [21:39] With so many applications at Jeffrey's firm, how long should someone expect it to take for a developer to develop the first feature when it comes to starting a new application? [23:04] What were the points of standardization at Jeffrey's firm? [23:43] In Azure DevOps, is Jeffrey using the new YAML format or is he using the step-based pipeline format? [25:00] Jeffrey gives his take on the kinds of people that say they're just going to log in to AWS and create the environments using their browser. [26:26] Does Jeffrey advocate provisioning environments from the get-go from script rather than designing the environments and then planning to script it out sometime later? [27:05] Jeffrey speaks about his favorite provisioning tool at the moment. [28:55] Once you provision an environment, what mechanism do you use to migrate it or change something about the environment? [31:50] Do they deploy firewall rules automatically? [32:54] Jeffrey shares another effort that they did at Lean Phoenix. [34:30] Where to learn more about integrating Azure DevOps with AWS! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Amazon Web Services (AWS) Jeffrey Opdam's LinkedIn Jeffrey Opdam's Twitter: @LeanPhoenix Lean Phoenix Test-Driven Development: By Example, by Kent Beck Kubernetes Docs.AWS.Amazon.com/cdk/latest/guide/home.html Pulumi Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

3 Helmi 202036min

In this week's podcast, Jeffrey Palermo welcomes Abel Wang on to the show! Abel Wang is a Principal Cloud Advocate specializing in DevOps and Azure with a background in application development at Microsoft. He's also currently a part of Donovan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.' Before joining Microsoft, Abel spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master helping customers globally develop solutions using agile practices and Team Foundation Server. When he's not working, Abel is either writing code (yes, that's what he does for fun), playing one of his many guitars, or training for The Great Wall Marathon now that he is cancer-free! Today, Jeffrey and Abel are discussing DevOps infrastructure. Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to as well as some of the things that they should absolutely be doing right now, speaks about being a part of Donavan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates,' shares his passion for all things DevOps, and much more! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:47] About today's fantastic guest, Abel Wang! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Abel on to the podcast. [1:51] What is The Great Wall Marathon? [3:10] Jeffrey congratulates Abel on being cancer-free and Abel reflects a bit on his past year and overcoming cancer. [3:33] Abel speaks about his background in writing code and how he's gotten to where he is today in his career. [9:17] The importance of understanding the why behind scrum and agile. [12:44] Fastforwarding into Abel's career, he speaks about his experience at Microsoft and being a part of Donavan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.' [14:40] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:07] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [15:45] @TheLoECDA's response time on Twitter. [17:07] Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to and/or absolutely be doing right now. He also defines what 'infrastructure as code' is. [26:27] Is there going to be integration between GitHub and AzureDevOps or are they going to be kept separate? Abel also gives his reasoning behind why Azure DevOps Services is not going anywhere! [29:14] Abel speaks about the future of being able to have the entire chain all the way through Azure through a press of a button. [31:55] Abel points listeners to his blog for listeners who want to learn more! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Abel Wang's Website Abel Wang on Twitter The Great Wall Marathon AgileManifesto.org Ken Schwaber Donovan Brown The League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates Twitter @TheLoECDA Octopus DeployRedgate SQL Change Automation Continuous Integration: Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk, by Paul M. Duvall, Steve Matyas, and Andrew Glover Terraform AI and ML GitHub Actions Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

27 Tammi 202033min

Today's guest is Emily Freeman who leads the modern operations team in cloud advocacy at Microsoft. She's also the author of the recently released book, DevOps for Dummies, which guides readers through the ins and outs of DevOps. On top of this, Emily is a very talented speaker and speaks all over at many conferences and advises many cutting-edge startups and some of the largest companies in the world on DevOps, engineering leadership, and developer engagement. She is known for her creative approach to identifying and solving the human challenges of software engineering In this episode, Emily and Jeffrey are talking about modern DevOps. Emily discusses her new book, DevOps for Dummies; the differences and similarities between the cloud advocacy area in Microsoft vs. other tech sectors when thinking about putting together a DevOps environment; where DevOps is now; changes in the industry; what makes 'operations' modern; and her concerns and hopes for the future of the industry. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:56] About today's guest, Emily Freeman! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Emily on to the podcast. [1:48] Emily talks about her new book, DevOps for Dummies, and what people can expect from it when they pick it up! [2:27] Emily shares her journey into tech and how she ended up at Microsoft. [4:24] Emily speaks about her strategy when writing DevOps for Dummies to target the newcomer to DevOps. [7:42] Why the second version/rewrite of a system always fails and why you don't usually need to start completely from scratch. [9:25] Emily talks about her new book and the possibility of writing new books in the future. [10:27] Emily speaks about the differences and similarities between the cloud advocacy area in Microsoft vs. other tech sectors when thinking about putting together a DevOps environment. [12:06] In one of Emily's talks, she speaks about firefighting, AKA putting out code fires. What does this mean? And how can we use this 'firefighter' approach to our benefit? [16:26] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:52] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [17:30] Jeffrey and Emily continue the firefighter discussion! [19:04] Where is DevOps now? Can it be defined by one definition? [23:44] Over the last 6 or 7 years there are twice as many programmers in the industry — so what does this mean for the current industry? [27:53] What other practices beyond continuous integration do people just tend to automatically reach for when they say they're doing DevOps? [32:50] Emily shares her concerns and hopes for the industry. [36:00] Emily explains what makes 'operations' modern. [38:00] Emily recommends some resources to dig into more on the topics discussed today. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! EmilyFreeman.io Emily's Twitter: @EditingEmily DevOps for Dummies, by Emily Freeman John Allspaw Fred Brooks The Agile Manifesto Octopus Deploy Redgate SQL Change Automation The Phoenix Project: A Novel About IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford GitHub Actions Stack Overflow Continuous Integration: Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk, by Paul M. Duvall, Steve Matyas, and Andrew Glover Niall Murphy Site Reliability Engineering: How Google Runs Production Systems, by Niall Richard Murphy, Betsy Beyer, Chris Jones, and Jennifer Petoff Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

20 Tammi 202039min

On today's podcast, Christina Rudolph is joining Jeffrey Palermo to discuss DevOps from a Product Manager's perspective! Christina Rudolph has been a Product Manager at Clear Measure since November 2019. Previously, she served as Vice President of Operations for SAFE 2 SAVE from 2018 to 2019, she is the Founder and was Executive Director of the Friends of Hamilton ISD Education Foundation from 2011 to 2018, and an Information Technology Project Manager at Accenture from 2001 to 2008. She has had an incredible career and is really experienced in unifying teams through proven strategies, natural leadership, and concise decision making. As a Product Manager, Christina has a unique perspective to bring the table in today's episode! She shares what developers can do to help the non-technical people involved in their organization, how to give more accurate estimations when planning projects, addresses some of the biggest challenges for a Product Manager when interfacing with the development team, and more! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:53] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [1:08] About today's episode and guest! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Christina on to the podcast. [1:40] Christina provides some background on the various software roles she has held over the course of her career. [4:18] Are some of the challenges from 2 decades ago in shipping software still similar to today? [7:03] As a Product Manager, what does Christina need from a development team? And what can developers do to help the non-technical people involved in their organization? [12:30] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:55] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [13:33] Why are we still struggling to solve the age-old problem of estimating and planning projects? [18:07] The biggest challenges for a Product Manager when interfacing with the development team and how Christina recommends addressing them. [19:55] Where should people go to learn more? Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Christina Rudolph's LinkedIn SAFE 2 SAVE Capers Jones The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBOK) Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

13 Tammi 202026min

Happy New Year's — it's officially 2020! To kick things off for this first episode back, Jeffrey is bringing you a special solo episode that will be entirely focused on the three essential scenarios that your DevOps pipeline needs to support. Whether you're doing your own research, planning on putting this all in place for new projects, or even adapting a legacy application with your DevOps environment — this is essential information. This overview will thoroughly cover all three of these scenarios; going in-depth about when they start, what they include, their goals, and the problems that occur when they are not implemented — so be sure to tune in! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:57] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [2:05] About today's solo episode! [3:10] What the three essential scenarios are. [4:20] Starting with the developer scenario first, Jeffrey starts by explaining the general structure of what things are necessary in the DevOps environment to enable the developer to just get something working (AKA the four essential pre-code design decisions that must be made so that any developer can write code). [9:07] Jeffrey explains what the developer scenario includes. [12:20] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:46] Jeffrey makes some announcements about upcoming events and opportunities! [14:29] Jeffrey picks up his discussion on the developer scenario and finishes explaining the essential capabilities that need to be in the DevOps environment to facilitate it. [16:37] Jeffrey explains when the team scenario starts, what it includes, and what the goals of it are. [22:40] All about the support scenario: when it starts, what it includes, and the ultimate goal. [31:45] Jeffrey wraps up this week's podcast by summarizing the three scenarios! [32:21] Be sure to pick up Jeffrey's book, .NET DevOps for Azure, which outlines how to implement the building blocks of these three scenarios! [32:33] If you would like a few free chapter excerpts from .NET DevOps for Azure, you can email Jeffrey at Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com. Also feel free to email him if you have any follow-up questions about this episode or suggestions for future episodes! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Azure DevOps Podcast: "Kathleen Dollard on Setting Up Your Machine for .NET Core — Episode 69" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

6 Tammi 202033min

Today's episode marks the end of 2019 as well as over a year of Azure DevOps Podcasts! In today's final episode of 2019, Kathleen Dollard joins the podcast to discuss setting up your machine for .NET Core! Kathleen is a Principal Program Programmer at Microsoft, a long-time developer, and a national conference speaker. She's been at Microsoft for a little over two years now and is an expert in C#, .NET and ASP.NET, SQL Server, and Visual Basic. She's also the author of the book, Code Generation in Microsoft .NET (published in 2004), which put forth principles of metaprogramming that are still valid today! Tune in to hear Kathleen as she highlights all the important, key pieces listeners should consider when diving into the world of .NET Core for the first time, a peak under the covers of what's currently going on behind the scenes of .NET Core from Kathleen's perspective, and how you can most effectively set up your machine for .NET Core today! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [1:06] Jeffrey gives a quick announcement. [1:18] About today's episode! [1:34] Jeffrey welcomes Kathleen to the show. [2:43] Kathleen speaks about the journey of her career and how she's come to work on the .NET Core team at Microsoft. [5:05] Kathleen speaks about her experience as a language expert. [6:54] From Kathleen's perspective, does she .NET Core 3.1 as the new wave? I.e. if you've been waiting, now is the time to move to it? And how complete is it? [10:34] Kathleen and Jeffrey talk about the migration of classic ASP applications. [13:26] What do people need to start thinking about when setting up their machine for .NET Core? Kathleen also highlights a recent bug and how to get around it! [25:00] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [25:28] Jeffrey highlights some exciting announcements! [27:11] Why does Kathleen think that Visual Studio Code is more popular than Visual Studio 2019? [28:52] Kathleen talks about some of their work behind-the-scenes. [30:55] Kathleen shares some key information for those who distribute WinForms applications. [32:05] Kathleen is open to hearing listeners' ideas! Feel free to reach out to give her your feedback! [32:45] Kathleen speaks about their uninstall tool in the works and where to get a hold of the beta. [34:48] In Kathleen's opinion, what would cause someone to choose a new WinForms app .NET Core versus a WPF Core app? [38:53] Kathleen shares what the .NET Core team is up to right now. [40:00] Kathleen highlights some additional resources and gives some advice for those planning on making the .NET Core plunge! [43:43] Jeffrey thanks Kathleen for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Code Generation in Microsoft .NET, by Kathleen Dollard .NET Core Visual Basic (VB) Rosalind NuGet MSBuild JSON Visual Studio Code Visual Studio 2019 Dotnet.Microsoft.com/download/dotnet-core/current/runtime/desktop Blazor GitHub.com/dotnet/CLI-lab MSIX Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

30 Joulu 201945min

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by Sudhanva Huruli, a Program Manager at Microsoft. He's currently a maintainer on the Open Application Model and has been at Microsoft now for 2 years. In the past, he's also worked on Microsoft's distributed systems platform (Service Fabric), led the effort for their Java developer offering, and helped design and build a product to provide visibility into the status of rollouts to any core Azure services. In this episode, Jeffrey and Sudhanva explore the topic of the Open Application Model. Sudhanva explains what an OAM is, how it is different from a regular app, the major parts that make it up, the problems it solves, and what is on roadmap for the future of the OAM. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:53] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements! [1:10] About today's episode! [1:25] Jeffrey welcomes Sudhanva Huruli to the show! [1:32] Sudhanva shares his career journey thus far. [3:01] Sudhanva explains how they think about the distributed systems platform architecturally and the core thinking behind OAM. [3:57] Sudhanva describes what exactly an Open Application Model (OAM) is. [4:42] How is the open app model different from how you'd describe a regular app? [6:35] What was the challenge that led to the genesis of the Open Application Mode? [9:03] Sudhanva defines OAM, spec, and implementation. [9:49] Is the spec available on GitHub? What's currently available? [10:22] How would developers create implementations? And what implementations are out there so far? [11:47] What are their plans with Azure? [12:55] Sudhanva provides "cliff notes" of the OAM spec for listeners and explains the three major parts: application scopes, the component model, and traits. [15:55] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:22] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements! [18:04] Jeffrey and Sudhanva give more clarification to the component that's within the OAM spec. [19:26] Jeffrey and Sudhanva reiterate the key points around the traits within the OAM spec. [20:46] Is OAM taking a step towards solving the problem of knowing the health scope of all the components within an application? If so, how? [28:56] Sudhanva highlights some of the big lessons and solutions that haven't been acted upon yet but are on the roadmap. [31:49] Sudhanva speaks about what their main goal is at the end of the day. [33:39] Sudhanva highlight some valuable resources for listeners. [36:05] Jeffrey thanks Sudhanva for joining the podcast. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Sudhanva Huruli's LinkedIn Azure Service Fabric Mesh Alibaba Dapr Kubernetes OpenAppModel.io Cloud-Native App Platform (CNAP) Rust Cloud-Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep: "Mark on Fussell on the Distributed Application Runtime on Dapr" aka.ms/msigniteondemand (Look for Mark Russinovich's Sessions) github.com/oam-dev Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

23 Joulu 201936min

In today's episode, Elton Stoneman is joining the podcast! Elton is an Architect at Docker and an Azure MVP. He's currently in the process of writing his new book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, which already has 9 chapters up online! It's a completely accessible, task-focused guide to Docker on Linux, Windows, or Mac Systems. Elton started his career as a .NET Consultant and, as he says, 'Spent the last 10 years building big, ugly monolithic apps which [he] now spends his time teaching people how to break apart!' He soon became heavily interested in Docker and when the company had an opening for an Advocate, he reached out and joined their marketing team. After doing that for a couple of years, he became an Architect on their partnership team. Docker has exploded in both popularity and usage. And since this is completely Elton's world, Jeffrey picks his brain in this episode to learn more about the design philosophy around it and the strategy behind it all! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements! [1:00] About today's episode! [1:38] Jeffrey welcomes Elton to the show! [1:44] Elton speaks about his current progress on his upcoming book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches. [2:20] Elton speaks about how he ended up in this space and what his journey has been thus far. [5:04] Elton elaborates on the problems that Docker solves and explains some of the strategies behind it all. [9:40] Elton speaks about the practical differences between the Linux ecosystem of containers and the Windows ecosystem of containers. [12:56] Elton speaks about the new change of Windows supporting Kubernetes and what that means for Docker. [14:25] Elton shares his stance on what file format he thinks the future will go to and what he sees people using now when they're packaging up different applications for deployment. [18:17] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:40] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements. [20:20] Jeffrey poses a scenario to Elton: if your application is a Windows service and it's 10MB, how big is that Docker image going to be that is the release candidate? [22:06] How big should you expect the images to be if the application inside is 10MB? [25:30] How much uptake is Elton seeing on the Windows containers? [27:15] From an architectural strategy perspective, what does Elton and those at Docker think about when it makes more sense to use a Paz service versus a container? [31:04] In the future, does Elton foresee containers becoming the new normal to the extent of being baked right into the infrastructure of services in a way that most people won't even know that they're there? [32:58] Elton speaks about their efforts to make Docker as simple as possible. [35:05] What languages are the examples from Elton's book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, being delivered in? [36:21] Elton recommends some go-to resources for listeners! [37:36] Jeffrey thanks Elton for joining the podcast. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! .NET Conf 2019 Docker on Windows: From 101 to production with Docker on Windows, by Elton Stoneman Elton Stoneman's Blog Elton Stoneman's Pluralsight Courses Elton Stoneman's LinkedIn Elton Stoneman's Twitter: @EltonStoneman Kubernetes Multi-Stage Builds (Docker) Microsoft Ignite Conference AKS Docker Captains Dak4.net Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, by Elton Stoneman — You can read the first several chapters here! And use discount code podazdev19 for 40% off (which is good for all Manning products in all formats)! Five free eBook codes (in MEAP so you can redeem them right now!): docppr-B6EE docppr-EDA2 docppr-B74D docppr-A095 docppr-84A2 Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

16 Joulu 201938min