Episode 1294: Pat Barrett, Vince Gilligan and the March Madness Mascot Bracket

Episode 1294: Pat Barrett, Vince Gilligan and the March Madness Mascot Bracket

Worship leader Pat Barrett — known for "Good Good Father" and "Build My Life" — joins Cameron, Jesse and Emily to talk about his new live album 'Break Open,' why he sat on the title track for nearly a decade, and his late-in-life obsession with surfing (including an upcoming trip to Kelly Slater's Surf Ranch). He also gets honest about how his thinking on songwriting vs. worship leading has shifted, because of course we ask awkward questions.

Also, Emily brings RELEVANT Buzz fresh from South by Southwest, where she sat in on a panel with Vince Gilligan — creator of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul — who said he thinks he owes the world something better than anti-heroes. Plus: High Point University's Cinderella March Madness run, and the faith story behind Chase Johnston's #99 jersey that everyone's been talking about.

And to close it out — Pat helps the crew run the Sweet 16 mascots through a no-stats, vibes-only bracket challenge to crown the real national champion. Based solely on mascots, not teams. One with a mustache may or may not have won.

Highlights:

  • 0:00 – Why last week's episode was late
  • 2:30 – Starlink satellites
  • 9:30 – Driving gloves
  • 17:50 – RELEVANT Buzz: High Point University's Chase Johnston's #99 story
  • 27:00 – Emily's South by Southwest panel with Vince Gilligan
  • 31:45 – The Lost arc, the Sawyer problem, and what Vince Gilligan owes culture
  • 36:00 – Pat Barrett joins the show
  • 38:30 – Recording 'Break Open' live in a sweaty tent
  • 40:40 – Why the title song sat unreleased for nearly 10 years
  • 42:50 – Songwriting vs. worship leading — what's actually better?
  • 45:20 – Pat's surfing obsession
  • 48:15 – The March Madness Mascot Bracket Challenge


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Episode 1266: Lecrae

Episode 1266: Lecrae

Today we're joined by Christian hip-hop icon Lecrae. He just released his 10th album, Reconstruction, and we talk about legacy, impact and the future of Christian hip-hop. Plus, Derek tells us all abo...

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Episode 1265: Issue 117 Revealed

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Episode 1264: Willie Robertson

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Episode 1263: Allison Eide

Episode 1263: Allison Eide

Today we're joined by Allison Eide, an indie artist that's exploding right now. We talk about her viral hit, "IDK," how mental health has shaped her faith journey and a lot more. Plus, we have RELEVAN...

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Episode 1262: Nathan Davis Jr.

Episode 1262: Nathan Davis Jr.

Today we're joined by actor, artist and viral sensation Nathan Davis Jr! We talk about his surprising shift to Christian music, his viral breakout, creativity and a lot more! Plus, in RELEVANT Buzz we...

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Episode 1261: Tony Hale

Episode 1261: Tony Hale

Today we're joined by actor Tony Hale! You know him from Veep, Arrested Development and a million other iconic roles—but now, he’s taking on something a little different. He stars in Sketch, a new fil...

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