Episode 1294: Pat Barrett, Vince Gilligan and the March Madness Mascot Bracket

Episode 1294: Pat Barrett, Vince Gilligan and the March Madness Mascot Bracket

Worship leader Pat Barrett — known for "Good Good Father" and "Build My Life" — joins Cameron, Jesse and Emily to talk about his new live album 'Break Open,' why he sat on the title track for nearly a decade, and his late-in-life obsession with surfing (including an upcoming trip to Kelly Slater's Surf Ranch). He also gets honest about how his thinking on songwriting vs. worship leading has shifted, because of course we ask awkward questions.

Also, Emily brings RELEVANT Buzz fresh from South by Southwest, where she sat in on a panel with Vince Gilligan — creator of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul — who said he thinks he owes the world something better than anti-heroes. Plus: High Point University's Cinderella March Madness run, and the faith story behind Chase Johnston's #99 jersey that everyone's been talking about.

And to close it out — Pat helps the crew run the Sweet 16 mascots through a no-stats, vibes-only bracket challenge to crown the real national champion. Based solely on mascots, not teams. One with a mustache may or may not have won.

Highlights:

  • 0:00 – Why last week's episode was late
  • 2:30 – Starlink satellites
  • 9:30 – Driving gloves
  • 17:50 – RELEVANT Buzz: High Point University's Chase Johnston's #99 story
  • 27:00 – Emily's South by Southwest panel with Vince Gilligan
  • 31:45 – The Lost arc, the Sawyer problem, and what Vince Gilligan owes culture
  • 36:00 – Pat Barrett joins the show
  • 38:30 – Recording 'Break Open' live in a sweaty tent
  • 40:40 – Why the title song sat unreleased for nearly 10 years
  • 42:50 – Songwriting vs. worship leading — what's actually better?
  • 45:20 – Pat's surfing obsession
  • 48:15 – The March Madness Mascot Bracket Challenge


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Episode 1274: Why Gen Z Women Are Leaving the Church: Sociologist Ashley LaLonde Explains

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In this episode of our IMPACT Conversation Series, entrepreneur David Meltzer shares how losing everything led him to redefine success through faith, gratitude and purpose. Then, pastor and author Mar...

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Episode 1272: The NBA Gambling Scandal, Daniel Caesar’s Faith Journey & What Happens After We Die

Episode 1272: The NBA Gambling Scandal, Daniel Caesar’s Faith Journey & What Happens After We Die

This week the crew breaks down the NBA’s shocking gambling scandal, Daniel Caesar’s unexpected faith journey, and what actually happens after we die. Plus, Jelly Roll launches a free rehab center, Emi...

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Episode 1271: What Real Faith Looks Like (and Should Christians Celebrate Halloween?)

After reflecting on their recent conversation with viral creator Jimmy Darts, the crew dives into what living out real faith actually looks like — not just believing the right things, but showing comp...

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IMPACT Conversation Series: Jimmy Darts

We believe every follower of Jesus is called to make a difference — and in this special bonus series, we’re sitting down with creators, leaders and dreamers who are doing just that.In this episode, we...

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Episode 1270: Pastor Chris Durso on the State of the Church — ‘People Don’t Want Hype—They Want Jesus’

Episode 1270: Pastor Chris Durso on the State of the Church — ‘People Don’t Want Hype—They Want Jesus’

Pastor Chris Durso joins us to talk about the shifting landscape of modern Christianity — why flashy churches are losing their influence, how Gen Z is reshaping faith communities, and what authenticit...

14 Loka 202553min

Episode 1269: Fabio Meets a Goose, SNL Meets Christian Movies, and Bad Youth Group Names!

Episode 1269: Fabio Meets a Goose, SNL Meets Christian Movies, and Bad Youth Group Names!

It’s only our second-ever video episode, and things already get weird. (What's new?) The crew dives into the wildest stories this week — unpacking whether Instagram is really “not listening,” the lady...

7 Loka 202554min

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