SS 330: Gang Bang the Mailbag 37 - Pet Play, Wallflowers, Canadian Clubs
Life on the Swingset - The Swinging & Polyamory Podcast12 Elo 2018

SS 330: Gang Bang the Mailbag 37 - Pet Play, Wallflowers, Canadian Clubs

Tonight's Gang Bang the Mailbag is the crew's 37th, and they're doing it in force! Cooper S. Beckett, Dylan Thomas, Ginger Bentham, Dirty Lola, Mister Pent, and Dr. Liz Powell get together to answer your questions! You can send them questions to answer by calling 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464) or sending them an email!

Question 1:

I have recently come to the conclusion there is not a God or at least not the way we see god in most major religions and it was freeing. My husband and I started talking about sex and fantasies and I even tried some of the BDSM stuff but the idea of becoming submissive and giving up my free will even for pretend makes me angry and that stuff makes me want to cry and is the complete opposite of a turn on. I know much of it comes from realizing I was told my WHOLE life I had to be submissive to a man and that he was the head of the household an I am sure you have heard this.

My husband really wants to try pet play. I am not judgmental and I keep trying to encourage him to keep looking for someone to act this fantasy out with. He wants me to do it but even watching the videos makes me feel extremely upset especially if they have sound and are barking orders at their pets. I don't find it disrespectful for him to want to engage in this what I do find disrespectful is for him to expect me to somehow learn to enjoy it.

He seems to think I will come around like I did with other things like anal sex which I was very against until I took god out of my live entirely and realized it was not a sin. After that it was painful and he thought it was emotional then I heard an episode of swingset that helped me realize the initial pain would go away if i could relax but I always have a little pain. Ever since then he seems to think if I just keep doing something I will eventually learn to like it. He even tries to do things like tell me to sit while I am already sitting and feed me a "treat." I can't stand it and I have told him so and he just keeps doing it or variations of it. I will put on kitty ears or puppy ears and play dress up but it just seems to drive more of the pushing for more behavior so then I still can't enjoy myself.

The bottom line is that I would really like him to quit trying to make me like things that I have such negative feelings about participating in.

Is there something wrong with me for not being able to enjoy his fantasies? Am I being ridiculous or selfish? I really don't know anymore I don't have that false moral compass to guide me anymore.

Question 2:

My husband and I are new to swinging, and I guess you could call us wallflowers. We went to our first club last weekend and just sort of hung out. We're both...reasonably attractive...but didn't get approached at all. I know you always say you should ask for what we want, and it's on us for not doing that, but any other advice for the wallflowers out there?

We're considering your desire trip, and are sorta worried we'd do the same thing at that resort.

Question 3:

My wife and I recently decided to explore the lifestyle. Living in Ottawa there is now really only one active club, we also have become members of a private club, which we truly enjoy in the summer months.

We are still new to this, we are moving slowly, we are more about connections. We enjoy the friends that we have made so far, it is nice to get together with like minded individuals, not having to worry about conversation that at times can become very sexual or hot. Your podcasts have been enlightening about nervousness, rules, boundaries, most of all about inclusiveness.

I am a hetroflexible male and my wife has learned that she is pansexual. The hardest thing we find in the area is that the clubs here are not very open to bisexual men, they also try to exclude single men most times. I understand the reasons that I have been given, they have had and continue to have single men that are too aggressive and do not respect the boundaries.

The one club allows single men on Friday nights. The club also has fetish and kink nights periodically to try and be more inclusive, these events are open to everyone. I feel that I try to be sensitive and caring to everyone. I just think it would be awesome to have an area where everyone can go and have a great, safe and open environment.

My vision would be something something like Oasis in Toronto, but open to everyone, or at least open to all couples, with no bias on gender. To me it would be a start. Thank you for sharing your podcasts, they are very informative.

Question 4:

A couple of years ago my husband asked if we could try a threesome. We were having sexual satisfaction issues due to stress he was dealing with at the time which made me feel insecure.

Recently we've started hooking up with a couple we know. I'm bi and wanted to play with a woman in addition to some swapping. But when it came down to it, I was playing with her and having a great time. Once my husband started playing with her, my insecurities came up and we had a fight because I felt like we rushed into a more intimate level of playing.

The other problem is, I was not attracted to the other husband. And my husband's stress issue reared its ugly head when we played again. The other wife and he were playing she was getting upset about my husband's performance. I wanted to watch and help, which frustrated the other husband.

I really want to be in the lifestyle and I know we really screwed up our approach for the first few times. I feel like a hypocrite about my jealous feelings that come up when I see my husband playing with another woman.

Are we just doomed in the lifestyle? How do you know when to call it quits?

More importantly, how do we approach another couple when I feel like I need so much attention to make sure I feel good?

Question 5:

We're in Detroit and have a group of swingers we play with regularly.

A little bit back, we went to a party where she played solo with a guy without checking in beforehand. I wasn't okay with that, and let her know afterwards. She has played solo in a separate space before and let me know beforehand. So I had assumed she knew to go slow. Mistakes can happen!

Last week we went to a kink party. I saw her kissing the aforementioned solo guy a couple times. But while with me, she excused herself to get a drink when he also did and they instead went to fuck without checking in. I felt abandoned, especially as they continued to play all night.

I told her that I felt betrayed and overlooked, as well as ignored when she reacted defensively without acknowledging my feelings.

We talked the next day without particularly resolving anything and I spun into self loathing and over-analying my actions.I still feel she intentionally ignored me that evening. And there was a huge communication gap between her thinking she was doing me a favor leaving me open to play with others, and the lack of check in and connection I wanted. This is a new level of jealousy I haven't felt before.

Have you ever had this type of situation and how did you handle it?
Could I have dealt with it better at the party?

Tristan Taormino's #AllIn for Desire… are you? Join us from November 3rd through the 10th this 2018 for Life on the Swingset's seventh trip to Desire! Visit www.ssdesire.com for more information!

Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will get you invited to a private chat with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings, and listen to episodes commercial free, and with outtakes!

You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe.

The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify!

Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464).

You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%.

Dylan Thomas is available for for podcast consultation and production work. If you're interested, visit www.dylanthethomas.com.

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Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!

Our Desire 2018 Advertisement includes music by ローマンRoman titled: Bikini, off the Paradise album. Our cold open in includes the track パラダイス PARADISE , our Swingtowns Advertisement includes the track さようなら GOOD BYE, and the Effing Foundation Advertisement includes the track シドニーSYDNEY.

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These tracks are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.

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SS 317: The Polyamorous Furry Community w/ Viro the Science Collie & Metriko Oni

SS 317: The Polyamorous Furry Community w/ Viro the Science Collie & Metriko Oni

There's a community that Life on the Swingset hasn't spoken about or to much: the polyamorous furry community. Tonight, Dylan Thomas, Dr. Liz Powell, and Mike Joseph invite Metriko Oni and Viro the Science Collie, of the Feral Attraction podcast, to talk about the fandom and to how we can find more common ground and more common spaces, more often.   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!   Intro Music: SLANDER - Happy Now Mike Joseph's Music: Falcon Funk - Catnip Trip (Perkulat0r Remix) Dr. Liz Powell's Music: Summer Was Fun - Hold On (feat. Q'AILA) Outro Music: Didrick - Rewind (feat. MIRAMIS)   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!   Our episode introduction featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 4 Guitar Playthrough titled: Toad Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.     Dylan Thomas Dr. Liz Powell Mike Joseph

14 Maalis 20181h 28min

SS 316: Shiny Beacons of Slutty Hope - Live at Playground Conference 2018 in Toronto!

SS 316: Shiny Beacons of Slutty Hope - Live at Playground Conference 2018 in Toronto!

Life on the Swingset came together for Playground 2018: Come Together, a Sex-Positive, Inclusive, Intersectional Event. It was the largest gathering of Swingset co-hosts ever, and the first such gathering of all co-hosts since 2015! Cooper S. Beckett, Dylan Thomas, Ginger Bentham, Dirty Lola, Dr. Liz Powell, Mike Joseph, and Chris Pent sat in front of a live audience to discuss why authentically telling our stories, or as Dr. Liz put it,why being shiny beacons of slutty hope is important.     You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!   Intro Music: SMLE - 2 Me (feat. Kiddo Ai & Nick Smith)   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!   Our episode introduction featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 4 Guitar Playthrough titled: Pharaoh Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.

3 Maalis 20181h 22min

SS 315: Letting Your Kinks Run Wild with Sunny Megatron & Ken Melvoin-Berg

SS 315: Letting Your Kinks Run Wild with Sunny Megatron & Ken Melvoin-Berg

Paths to kink vary pretty wildly. From occasional giggles and smacks on the bottom, to role-playing as students in a classroom begging to be good for the principal, to full suspensions in front of hundreds of people, following our minds and bodies can lead us places we never thought we could go.  Tonight, Sunny Megatron and Ken Melvoin-Berg, co-creators of the American Sex podcast and co-producers of Showtime's Sex with Sunny Megatron, join Dylan Thomas, Dirty Lola, and Dr. Liz Powell to talk about some of the places people can go if they keep an open mind allow their kinks to run wild.   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist! Attend Poly Dallas Millenium: Rewriting the Rules! July 13th-15th, 2018!     Intro Music: Delta Heavy & Dirty Audio - Stay (PhaseOne Remix) [feat. HOLLY] Review Music: Haywyre - Sculpted Dr. Liz Powell's Music: Summer Was Fun - Hold On (feat. Q'AILA) Outro Music: Conro - Take Me There   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!     Dylan Thomas Dr. Liz Powell Dirty Lola

21 Helmi 20181h 12min

SS 314: How to Make Hot Kinky Play Actually Happen w/ Marcia Baczynski & Midori

SS 314: How to Make Hot Kinky Play Actually Happen w/ Marcia Baczynski & Midori

Tonight, guests Midori and Marcia Baczynski join Cooper Beckett, Dylan Thomas, Dr. Liz Powell, and Dirty Lola to talk about making hot kinky play actually happen. They'll also discuss the Wanted Man Intensive course to help good guys work on becoming better guys. Marcia B's Resources: Marcia's Site: AskingForWhatYouWant.com Midori's Resources: Protip! Questions You Aught to Ask Before BDSM Play! ForteFemme: Women's Dominance Weekend Intensive RopeDojo Tonight's episode is sponsored by Überlube!     Join Dylan, Cooper, Dr. Liz, Mister Pent, Dirty Lola, and Mike Joseph at Playground 2018!   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!   Intro Music: Duumu - Take Me Away (feat. Skyelle) Business Music: Matroda - Shut It Down Review Music: Haywyre - Sculpted Dr. Liz Powell's Music: Summer Was Fun - Hold On (feat. Q'AILA) Outro Music: Bad Computer - Disarray   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!     Our Playground 2018 advertisement featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 6 Guitar Playthrough titled: Knight Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.     Cooper S Beckett Dylan Thomas Dr. Liz Powell Dirty Lola

9 Helmi 20181h 23min

SS 313: Mutual Masturbation - Giving Each Other a Hand

SS 313: Mutual Masturbation - Giving Each Other a Hand

One of Life on the Swingset's most popular episodes is Masturbation - Our Touching Origins. Cooper S. Beckett, Dylan Thomas, Dirty Lola, Dr. Liz Powell, and Mister Pent sit together to talk about handing the job off, as it were. Whether masturbating in front of another person or playing with them while they play with you, tonight the crew discusses mutual masturbation. Tonight's episode is sponsored by Überlube!     Dirty Lola and Dr. Liz Powell discussed the Womanizer 2go... at length. You can find the Womanizer 2go at our partner, Shevibe!   Join Dylan, Cooper, Dr. Liz, Mister Pent, Dirty Lola, and Mike Joseph at Playground 2018!   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!     Intro Music: Jay Cosmic - Ocean Eyes Business Music: Matroda - Shut It Down Review Music: Haywyre - Sculpted r. Liz Powell's Music: Summer Was Fun - Hold On (feat. Q'AILA) Chris Pent's Music: Infected Mushroom - Spitfire Outro Music: Didrick - Ready to Fly (feat. Adam Young)   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!     Our Playground 2018 advertisement featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 6 Guitar Playthrough titled: Knight Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.   Our Uberlube advertisement featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 3 Guitar Playthrough titled: Password. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.     Cooper S Beckett Dylan Thomas Dr. Liz Powell Dirty Lola Mr. Pent

1 Helmi 20181h 5min

SS 312: Sexually Relevant Grooming Habits

SS 312: Sexually Relevant Grooming Habits

Nail Clipping! Facial, Genital, and Ass Hair Maintenance! Keeping it Clean... or Not! Tonight, Dylan Thomas, Ginger Bentham, Dr. Liz Powell, Dirty Lola,  and Mister Pent discuss sexually relevant grooming habits, and why we do, or don't participate in them!   Join Dylan, Cooper, Dr. Liz, Mister Pent, Dirty Lola, and Mike Joseph at Playground 2018!   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!   Intro Music: Rogue - Fortress Business Music: Muzzy - Children of Hell Dr. Liz Powell's Music: Summer Was Fun - Hold On (feat. Q'AILA) Chris Pent's Music: Infected Mushroom - Spitfire Outro Music: Jay Cosmic - Ocean Eyes   Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!     Our Playground 2018 advertisement featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 6 Guitar Playthrough titled: Knight Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.     Dylan Thomas Ginger Bentham Dr. Liz Powell Dirty Lola Mr. Pent

24 Tammi 20181h 14min

SS 311: Foresight and Hindsight (Amber) – Goodbye 2017, Hello 2018

SS 311: Foresight and Hindsight (Amber) – Goodbye 2017, Hello 2018

It's been a year, hasn't it? On this episode of Life on the Swingset, The Podcast, we're going to reflect, not on the horrors of the year that everybody among us so well knows, but what this year specifically has shown us, in our sexuality, in our interpersonal interactions, in our lifestyles, and then we'll look forward on how we build and improve in the new year. Join Cooper S. Beckett, Ginger Bentham, Dylan Thomas, Dr Liz Powell, & Dirty Lola for a frank discussion on the future.

8 Tammi 20181h 21min

SS 310: Aging and Sexuality with Ken Haslam, Belle Sheperd, Joel Kann, and Duncan - Recorded Live at Desire Resort

SS 310: Aging and Sexuality with Ken Haslam, Belle Sheperd, Joel Kann, and Duncan - Recorded Live at Desire Resort

Those of us young in the world and in non-monogamy don't spend a lot of time thinking about aging and in how it affects our play partners, our relationships, and our own sexuality as we progress. During Life on the Swingset's takeover of Desire Resort, Dylan Thomas sat down with Belle Shepherd, Joel Kann, Ken Haslam, and Duncan to discuss as a panel how sexuality changes with age. Some featured discussion points: Changes in Spontaneous Desire | Iimportance of Lubricant and Positioning During Sex | Health Issues | Community Support Networks in Polyamory | ... and many more.     Join Dylan, Cooper, Dr. Liz, Mister Pent, Dirty Lola, and Mike Joseph at Playground 2018!   You can support us while you buy great sex toys and products from our favorite online retailer SheVibe at lifeontheswingset.com/shevibe. Help support Life on the Swingset continue to make podcasts, and put on live panels and shows into the future! Throw us a dollar (or a few) each time we release an episode on Patreon! Your support will also get you invited to a private chat system with other Swingsetters, and give you the opportunity to join live podcast recordings. The best FREE thing you can do to support us is leave us a five-star review. Come to our review gateway, then copy and paste your review into iTunes or Stitcher! Also, follow us on Spotify! Android Users: Download and review our Android App! Leave us a comment on this post or at contact@lifeontheswingset.com or leave us a voicemail at 573-55-SWING (573-557-9464). You can now order Cooper's novel Approaching The Swingularity, his previous novel A Life Less Monogamous, or his memoir My Life on the Swingset: Adventures in Swinging & Polyamory as an ebook, paperback, or audiobook. Use promo code SWINGSET at coopersbeckett.com to save 10%. Help Dylan edit by buying him something from his Amazon Wishlist!     Our 2017 THEME comes courtesy of Vlad Lucan and his track: Reverse!     Our Playground 2018 advertisement featured music by Krzysztof Słowikowski from his Mega Man 6 Guitar Playthrough titled: Knight Man. This track is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0) license.

27 Joulu 20171h 13min

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