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Breakthrough Leadership Group Founder Jill Schulman - Why Bravery Is a Trainable Leadership Skill

Jill Schulman, Founder & Principal of Breakthrough Leadership Group and author of The Bravery Effect, joins Clint Betts for a conversation on fear, leadership, resilience, and the science of bravery.

A former United States Marine Corps officer and happiness scientist trained in positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania, Jill has dedicated her career to helping leaders overcome fear and unlock their highest potential.

In this episode, Jill explains why bravery isn’t about fearlessness — it’s about taking action despite fear — and why that mindset is essential for CEOs, executives, and anyone navigating uncertainty in today’s world.

The conversation also explores Stoicism, leadership under pressure, difficult conversations, AI, and how courage can fundamentally reshape both organizations and personal lives.

00:00:00 - Introduction and Guest Background
00:00:21 - Discovering the Study of Bravery
00:01:03 - The Role of Fear in Happiness and Self-Actualization
00:01:56 - Defining Bravery
00:02:08 - Writing "The Bravery Effect"
00:02:41 - The Book Writing Process
00:04:04 - Collaborating with a Ghostwriter
00:05:05 - Publishing Challenges
00:05:27 - Practical Examples of Brave Leadership
00:06:07 - Leading Through Uncertainty
00:08:14 - Having Difficult Conversations
00:09:46 - Motivation to Join the Marines
00:11:29 - Founding Breakthrough Leadership Group
00:14:57 - A Typical Day in Jill's Life
00:16:35 - Speaking Engagements
00:17:25 - Impact of AI on Work
00:19:23 - Reading Preferences and Recommendations
00:22:05 - The Importance of Giving and Taking Chances
00:22:23 - Acknowledging Key Supporters
00:23:04 - Closing Remarks

If you’re interested in leadership, psychology, resilience, personal growth, or becoming a more courageous leader, this conversation is packed with practical insights and inspiration.

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