TTU52: Do Amazing Things Just By Showing Up ft. Rob Hartman of Pacific Capital Advisors – 2of2

TTU52: Do Amazing Things Just By Showing Up ft. Rob Hartman of Pacific Capital Advisors – 2of2

Rob Hartman knows that showing up is half the battle when it comes to work in any industry. But his viewpoint as a solo fund manager give us deep insight into the inner-workings of a firm and how it deals with drawdowns, track record, and investors’ questions. In Part 2 of our conversation with Rob, we dive into his models and programs and how each of them works. We also learn about Rob’s background that helps round out this picture of a successful manager.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

  • Why Hannah Montana has some life lessons to teach.
  • Rob’s track record and how to read it.
  • What happened when he changed his strategy.
  • The details of the programs he runs.
  • How Vanguard, his flagship product, works.
  • How he manages his momentum trades, or trend following trades.
  • Why his thoughts on position sizing have evolved over time.
  • How he conducts his research and why he doesn’t do any discretionary trading on his models.
  • The risk that he focuses on as a smaller manager and how he manages that risk.
  • How he deals with questions about drawdowns from investors.
  • How Rob copes emotionally when he experiences a drawdown.
  • What his research process is without a research team.
  • What is the optimal number of rules for Rob’s models to have.
  • What questions investors are missing in their due diligence.
  • Books he would recommend for would-be managers.
  • The advice he gives to his kids and the lessons he wants to pass on.

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Rob also mentions getting inspiration from Kathryn Kaminski, who was our guest on Episode 41 and Episode 42.

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TTU72: Adding Value to Your System ft. Mike Shell of Shell Capital Management – 2of2

TTU72: Adding Value to Your System ft. Mike Shell of Shell Capital Management – 2of2

In the second part of our talk with Mike Shell, we delve into the specifics of his program and why most of his clients have 100% of their investments with his firm. He discusses backtesting, risk management, and the differences between purely systematic systems and systems with a discretionary element. Listen in for an inside look at this fascinating firm.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:How people should look at Mike’s 10 year track record and how his models have evolved over that time.How much of the strategy is machine run and how much is human run.What he does when he backtest a system.How he started out as a chartist in the 1990s.What is it that he can’t systematize.The difference between a trader that is purely systematic and one that has a discretionary element, however small.How his investors use his program.What his approach to risk management is and how it plays out with his program.Why he doesn’t take on much short exposure.What’s the biggest challenge with his business right now.How to expand the customer base to investment advisors.What books Mike would recommend.What he’d do differently if he had to start all over today.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this EpisodeTechnical Analysis of the Financial Markets by John MurphyMarket Wizards by Jack SchwagerTrend Following by Michael CovelFollow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or <a...

12 Helmi 20151h 11min

TTU71: Why You Don’t Want Symmetry in Investing ft. Mike Shell of Shell Capital Management – 1of2

TTU71: Why You Don’t Want Symmetry in Investing ft. Mike Shell of Shell Capital Management – 1of2

Most trend following firms have clients that invest somewhere between 2 and 20% of their portfolio with that firm, but Mike Shell’s firm is different. His strategy is tailored to a specific customer, and almost all of his clients have their entire investment portfolios with his firm. We dive into the specifics of Shell Capital Management in this episode, and how Mike grew up in the southern United States with a military background to become the owner of his own firm.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:The ways that Mike’s firm is different from other firms.His upbringing in Tennessee.How he started Shell Capital in 2004.The books that influenced him in his trend following education.What his experience was in the brokerage world.Why he left the brokerage world and what gave him the courage to become an entrepreneur.His experience in the military and law enforcement.What he does when he’s not trading.Why symmetry is the last thing he wants when it comes to investing.How his asymmetry term came about.Why he relishes uncertainty.How he structures his firm to compete in his industry.How the firm plans to grow and what they outsource.The way that people should interpret his track record.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:How to Make Money in StocksMarket WizardsFollow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow...

9 Helmi 20151h 10min

TTU70: Market Intervention & The Effect on Trend Following ft. Marc Malek of Conquest Capital Group

TTU70: Market Intervention & The Effect on Trend Following ft. Marc Malek of Conquest Capital Group

In this year-end review, Marc Malek explains why intervention in the markets affects trend following, but also why trend following strategies are not long volatility strategies. He discusses 2014 from the point of view of his firm, how his program did, and why he is excited about 2015.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:How 2014 treated Conquest Capital.How volatility shows itself in a market like oil.What strategies performed well and what markets contributed to their success.How he prepares himself for extreme volatility and how he dealt with the Swiss Franc move.What intervention does to the markets.How his firm would plan for our react to a big market change such as the break up of the Euro overnight.Why people use correlation in the wrong way.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:Listen to 2 hour-long episodes with Marc Malek on this podcast here and here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Marc Malek on Linkedin.Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about In my eBooks, I put together...

6 Helmi 201536min

TTU69: Staying Agnostic in Your Allocation ft. Martin Lueck of Aspect Capital

TTU69: Staying Agnostic in Your Allocation ft. Martin Lueck of Aspect Capital

This year in review covers how Aspect Capital came out of 2014 with their best year ever as a company, and what they learned from the year. Martin Lueck discusses the events that made 2014 a roller coaster ride, as well as the importance of always staying agnostic in your allocation to different sectors.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why 2014 was a roller coaster ride for Aspect Capital.How 2014 was the best year ever on record for Martin’s firm.Why CTAs spend most of the time being in a certain level of drawdown and how they have to be psychologically prepared for that.What markets didn’t perform for his firm.How Martin reacted to the Swiss Franc move that happened recently.How conversations with investors changed over the year.Why educating investors is important.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:Hear more of Martin Lueck in these 2 hour-long conversations with him on our podcast here and here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Aspect Capital on Linkedin.Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about...

4 Helmi 201535min

TTU68: Keep The Long Term View in Mind When Investing ft. Mike Dever of Brandywine Asset Management

TTU68: Keep The Long Term View in Mind When Investing ft. Mike Dever of Brandywine Asset Management

On our next year-in-review, Mike Dever talks about how 2014 evolved for his firm and what they learned from the year. He discusses the changes they made to their program as well as the recent Swiss Franc move and what they learned from that. He also talks about why investors need to keep the long term view in mind when investing, and not re-evaluate the program every time the profits take a dip.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:What Mike’s firm does that blends together different strategies in order to diversify a portfolio.How 2014 was for his firm.Why they had a great first quarter to 2014 when most CTAs did not.How the Interest Rate sector and Agriculture sector did well for the program.Why he saw the Swiss Franc move coming.How they are in a continual process of learning and subsequently improving their program.Convergent vs. Divergent environments and what Mike is looking forward to.How to mitigate a big inflow of investment followed by immediate outflow.The book that Mike wrote and if the Myths still hold true today.Why people think about the long term view when they invest, and think about the day-to-day view when they take their money out.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:Listen to 2 hour-long episodes with Mike Dever on this podcast here and here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Mike Dever on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikedever/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

2 Helmi 201527min

TTU67: Institutional Investors and CTAs: A Look Forward ft. Aref Karim of Quality Capital Management

TTU67: Institutional Investors and CTAs: A Look Forward ft. Aref Karim of Quality Capital Management

Aref Karim has been on the institutional investing side and the fund manager side for many years, so he has some great insights into how each group thinks and ways they can understand each other better. In this episode, Aref reviews 2014 from the perspective of QCM and discusses the research upgrades that the firm started to their program, and how they dealt with the events of the year, including the recent Swiss Franc move.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:About the two programs that his firm trades.How 2014 went for Aref and his firm.About the upgrades that the firm started in late 2013.Where their largest gains came from in 2014.The opportunities that no one predicted in 2014.How they dealt with the Swiss Franc move in early 2015.How institutional investors are looking at the managed futures space as we enter 2015.What 2015 looks like for his firm.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:Listen to 2 hour-long episodes with Aref Karim on this podcast here and here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Aref Karim on Linkedin.Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your...

30 Tammi 201535min

TTU66: Trade Innovation for the future ft. Luc van Hof of Capital Hedge

TTU66: Trade Innovation for the future ft. Luc van Hof of Capital Hedge

In this year-end review, Luc van Hof discusses what he learned from 2014 and how his firm innovated to create better gains for customers in 2015. He also talks about the Swiss Franc and why he was not trading it when the major move happened in 2015.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:The two programs that his firm trades.What kind of risk both of his programs take on.What 2014 taught Luc.What he learned from the Swiss Franc move.Why they didn’t trade the Swiss Franc…on the day of the big move.Why he wishes they could have taken a holiday for 6 months after the end of June.The advantage of trading frequently.The new innovation that his firm started this year.His thoughts on volatility.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:You can listen to 2 hour-long episodes with Luc van Hof on this podcast here and here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Luc Van Hof on Linkedin.Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt...

28 Tammi 201538min

TTU65: Trend Following Offers Diversification & Risk Mitigation ft. Jerry Parker of Chesapeake Capital

TTU65: Trend Following Offers Diversification & Risk Mitigation ft. Jerry Parker of Chesapeake Capital

Jerry Parker takes us inside 2014 for his firm, and how his models reacted to the Swiss Franc move in January of 2015. He looks at the year and makes a case for trend following as an asset class, as well as highlights what we can learn from a year like 2014.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HEREIn This Episode, You’ll Learn:How the year ended up for Jerry’s firm.The date when his system started getting short Crude Oil.What they could have done better in 2014.How he dealt with the Swiss Franc move in January 2015 and how many ATR he made and lost on 2 different CHF positions.The minor changes they’ve made to increase diversification of their trading systems.What he wishes for 2015.-----Resources & Links Mentioned in this Episode:Listen to 2 hour-long episodes with Jerry on this podcast here and here.Also check out my interview with Turtle Trading legendary mentor Richard Dennis here.Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Jerry on Twitter.Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt...

26 Tammi 201535min

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