RRU 030: "React State Museum" with Gant Laborde
React Round Up25 Syys 2018

RRU 030: "React State Museum" with Gant Laborde

Panel: Special Guests: Gant Laborde In this episode, the panel talks with Gant who has been programming for twenty years. In the past, he has been an adjunct professor and loves to teach. Finally, he talks at conferences and enjoys sharing his ideas. The panel talks about the React State Museum, among many other topics, such as: React Native, Flux, Redux, Agile, and XState. Show Topics: 1:24 – Chuck: What do you do? 2:02 – Chuck and Gant: We met at React Rally at 2016. 2:17 – Gant: I have my own sticker branding with a friend in Japan who is genius. She draws all these characters. They are my business card now. 2:41 – Chuck: React State Museum- talk about its brief history and what it is? 2:54 – Gant: React is this beautiful thing of passing these functional capsules around and managing them. Once you start creating another component, the question is how do you actually manage all of these components? We are all so happy to be on the cutting edge, but state management systems come up and die so fast. For like Facebook, there are 2 people who understand Flux. What happens is Redux is the one thing that shows up and... 6:34 – Chuck: I want to say...I think we need to change the topic. You said that JavaScript USED to be bad at classes, but it’s still bad at classes! 6:52 – Gant: Yep. 7:21 – Chuck: Typescript gets us close-ish. 7:31 – Chuck: Do you get feedback on the library? 8:12 – Gant: The requests that I’ve got - it’s from people who are better at (that0 than me. I wanted to test the lines of code. But that’s unfair because there are a lot of things to do. It really was a plan but what happens is – components that are used in this example is that in this node module... 9:41 – Panel: This is an interesting topic. When you assess any technology...if you are not a technology expert than you really can’t say. That’s interesting that you are doing this an open-source way. 10:25 – Gant: I am a huge fan of this vs. that. I am okay with say “this” one wins and “that” one looses. I don’t declare a winner cause it’s more like a Rosetta Stone. I had to find pitfalls and I respect that for the different perspectives. At the end of the day I do have opinions. But there is no winner. They are all the same and they are all extremely different. Are you trying to teach someone in one day? I learned Redux in 2 different days. 12:00 – Panel: Is there a library that helps with X, Y, Z, etc. 12:16 – Gant: I love for teaching and giving people a great start. I just set state and live life. I had to show what X is like. 13:59 – Chuck: Like this conversation about frameworks and which framework to use. Everyone was using Redux, because it was more or less what we wanted it to do. But at the time it cleaned up a bunch of code. Now we have all these other options. We are figuring out... How to write JavaScript if web assembly really took off? Do I write React with X or with Y. And how does this affect all of this? We had all of these conversations but we haven’t settled on the absolute best way to do this. 15:50 – Panel: This is great, and I think this is from the community as a whole. 17:20 – Chuck: I need to ask a question. Is this because the requirements on the frontend has changed? Or... I think we are talking about these state management systems, and this is what Lucas is talking about. 17:45 – Gant: I think it’s both. 18:43 – Panel: Websites have gotten bigger. We have always been pushing CSS. Panelist mentions Facebook Blue, among other things. What does your state look like? What does your validation look like? We are on so many different devices, and so on. 20:00 – Gant: I agree to echo everything that you all have said. I think the expectations are tighter now; that we have less drift. People are being more cognoscente and asking what is our brand. And it’s about brand consistency. And we are expecting more out of our technology, too. We keep pushing the envelope. What about these features? We want to be feature rich, and pushing these envelopes – how can we build more faster with less complexity while building it. You have to put that complexity somewhere. It’s interesting to watch. 22:00 – Chuck: How do we use this React State Museum...where are we going next? 22:19 – Gant: It’s a loaded question. Being able to ID new and interesting concepts. If you had a terrible version and Redux comes along, Redux is great for some companies but not all. You won’t see bugs that are crazy, there is a middle-wear, and maybe for your team going into Redux will make things more manageable. 25:25 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 26:05 – Panel: Understanding your problem is the first thing to do. Talking about evolutionary architecture – to build your software to evolve. What does tha fit really well? So if you have to pick something new you are in a good position. What are my needs? Don’t look too much forward or 27:38 – Chuck: Advice on looking at your problem-sets? 27:52 – Panel: We have gone from planning too much to not planning at all. I don’t need to plan for too much or else it will “hurt” me. 28:42 – Chuck comments and mentions Agile. 29:29 – Panel and Guest chime in. 29:39 – Panel: I worked on a project (3 months) we needed to do a big change. I asked them why didn’t we take that into consideration. And their answer was... 30:30 – Gant: You might get away with... 30:55 – Chuck: What are some of the knobs on this? If I turn this know Redux is looking good, but if I do this... 31:12 – Gant: There are a lot of attractive knobs. Using app sync, not using app sync. 32:33 – Gant: Is your app really effective? That’s your first important question. How much state do I need on the frontend. And vice versa. 34:02 – Gant: How easy will this be to test? Can I teach someone how to do this? If I cannot teach it then it won’t do my team any good. 34:35 – Panel adds in comments. 35:08 – Gant: Looking at tests. 37:25 – Panel: If you have a great backend team then you can move the work across the team. You have a strong team to move that work along that line – normally you can’t cross that sort of thing. 38:03 – Chuck: There are so many options, too. I see Apollo getting reach here. I don’t see it as a statement tool instead I see it as... 38:31 – Panel: Apollo State – seems like they are pushing the envelope. It’s interesting to watch. 38:54 – Chuck. 39:12 – Gant: I am going to go ahead and use this tool – I am not going to worry about it. But now you are being held accountable. 39:29 – Panel: Question for folks: React not having a blessed ecosystem can hold people back in some ways? You have the freedom to use what you want. Here are the tools that you can use. Do you tink it be better if the Facebook team could do... 40:20 – Gant: I find that I don’t like (being told) this is what you will be using. I am a person with idea. We’d all be using Flux and all be very upset. 41:00 –Then there would be 3 people who don’t understand it. 41:17 – Gant: I loved Google Wave. Fool on my once and shame on me twice... Google Video! Google comes out and says here is BLESSED and you don’t have any choice. But it’s any author for themselves. It’s a little bit silly 0 I would like a beacon from Facebook saying: Here is a guide. It seems that they can’t focus. They are running a large company; I would like to keep it open – friendly energy. 42:24 – Chuck: I am mixed feelings about this. It only plays as far as people play into it. IN a React community there are so many voices. They all have opinions on what you should/shouldn’t use. The one thing that I like about a blessed / recommended stack – brand new person – it’s a good place to art. After that if they realize that Flux is hard then they can go and try other options. There are other things out there; there is a good balance there. 43:36 – Panel: That is the Angular way right? 43:38 – Chuck: Yes but Angular is more opinionated. It’s a different feel. 44:38 - Panel + Guest continue this conversation. 45:00 – The book DRIVE is mentioned. 45:21 – Gant: ... we need more recommendations. 45:43 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Repot and how to use this? If you go and get Repot – Google React State Museum it’s really easy. How should people come to this and pick it up? 46:18 – Gant: The table that comes in there – it links to the main Repot. A lot of people showed up and contributed. First of all show up. Ga

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RRU 022: RxJS and redux-observable with Tracy Lee, Jay Phelps, and Ben Lesh

RRU 022: RxJS and redux-observable with Tracy Lee, Jay Phelps, and Ben Lesh

Panel: Nader DabitSia Karamalegos Special Guests: Tracy Lee, Jay Phelps, and Ben Lesh In this episode, the React Round Up panelists talk to Tracy Lee, Jay Phelps, and Ben Lesh about RxJS and redux-observable. Tracy, Jay, and Ben are the RxJS ThisDot Media group and where they do support contracts for RxJS, staff augmentation, developer relations, and put on events. They talk about what observables are and what they are trying to solve, the most common use cases for getting started with observables, and what Promises and Async/Await are. They also touch on what they like most about RxJS, how versatile it is, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Tracy, Jay, and Ben introThisDotRxJSWhat is an observable?What problems are observables trying to solve?JavaScriptLearn observablesMaking everything functional in the libraryMeans of encapsulating values you want pushed at you later onDownside to observablesLittle bit of a learning curveMost common uses for getting started with observablesCan Promises and Async/Await be mixed with observables?What do Promises and Async/Await allow you to do?Defer functionAwait values coming in from observablesWhat do you like about RxJS?Allows you to work with all different languagesRxJS is very versatilengrx“Rx all the things”What inspired you to write Redux observable?Redux-observableRxJS docsEpicsAnd much, much more! Links: ThisDotJavaScriptRxJSngrxReduxRedux-observableRxJS docs@ladyleetTracy’s GitHub@BenLeshBen’s MediumBen’s GitHub@_jayphelpsJay’s GitHubRxJS GitHub@ThisDotLabs Sponsors Kendo UIDigital Ocean FreshBooks Picks: Nader JSCamp Sia Sprint by Jake Knapp Tracy Fashionnova.comFrancesca’s Jay denoapplitools Ben react-streamsStackBlitzSpecial Guests: Ben Lesh, Jay Phelps, and Tracy Lee. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

31 Heinä 201858min

RRU 021: Building SharePoint Extensions with JavaScript with Vesa Juvonen LIVE at Microsoft Build

RRU 021: Building SharePoint Extensions with JavaScript with Vesa Juvonen LIVE at Microsoft Build

Panel: Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Vesa Juvonen In this episode, the React Round Up panel talks to Vesa Juvonen about building SharePoint extensions with JavaScript. Vesa is on the SharePoint development team and is responsible for the SharePoint Framework, which is the modern way of implementing SharePoint customizations with JavaScript. They talk about what SharePoint is, why they chose to use JavaScript with it, and how he maintains isolation. They also touch on the best way to get started with SharePoint, give some great resources to help you use it, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Vesa introWhat is SharePoint?Has existed since 2009People either know about it and use it or don’t know what it isBaggage from a customization perspectiveWhy JavaScript developers?Modernizing developmentSharePoint FrameworkMicrosoft Ignite ConferenceIs there a market for it?System integratorsAngular Element and ReactReact for SharePoint Framework back-endSupports VueReact Round Up PodcastHow do you maintain isolation?What’s the best way to get started with SharePoint extensions?Office 365 Developer ProgramSharePoint documentationSharePoint YouTubeWhat kinds of extensions are you seeing people build?And much, much more! Links: SharePointJavaScriptSharePoint FrameworkMicrosoft Ignite ConferenceAngular ElementReactVueReact Round Up PodcastOffice 365 Developer ProgramSharePoint documentationSharePoint YouTube @OfficeDev@vesajuvonenVesa’s blogVesa’s GitHub Sponsors Angular Boot CampDigital Ocean FreshBooks Picks: Charles Zig ZiglarConversations with My Dog by Zig ZiglarPimsleur Lessons on Audible Vesa Armada by Ernest ClineSpecial Guest: Vesa Juvonen. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

24 Heinä 201830min

RRU 020: How to Get a Job (Especially for New Developers) with Charles Max Wood

RRU 020: How to Get a Job (Especially for New Developers) with Charles Max Wood

Panel: Charles Max WoodLucas ReisSia Karamalegos In this episode, the React Round Up panelists talk about finding a job as a developer. Charles is getting ready to release a course on finding a job and he finds that he is always getting asked about how new developers can find a job. They talk about how they all found their first coder job, picking your target company, and understanding what you want in a job. They also touch on Charles’ upcoming course, the importance of showing initiative, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Sign up to chat with Charles at DevChat.tv/15MinutesWhy they want to touch on this topicGet used to failureCodeSchoolHack Night meetupGoing to meetups to slowly start networkingMaking friends with developers in your communityNetworking before you need a jobLearning and helping mindsetDon’t be afraid to ask if people are hiringHow did you figure out what your target company was?Checking out the culture of a companyUnderstanding the travel involvedFigure out what you like in a job as you goAlways be looking at your portfolio and resumeGain as much experience as you can everywhere you goStick to learning one language/systemReally master the languages/systems of the company you want to usesShow initiativeFinding a champion at your target companyAnd much, much more! Links: DevChat.tv/15MinutesCodeSchoolHack Night meetupCharles’ CourseHow to interview your interviewers blog postRuby Rogues Episode 184 Sponsors Kendo UIDigital Ocean FreshBooks Picks: Charles Orphan BlackHis Course Lucas The Best Software Engineering Paper You Haven’t Read Sia FamilyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

17 Heinä 20181h 16min

RRU 019: Error Tracking and Troubleshooting Workflows with David Cramer LIVE at Microsoft Build

RRU 019: Error Tracking and Troubleshooting Workflows with David Cramer LIVE at Microsoft Build

Panel: Charles Max WoodAlyssa NichollWard Bell Special Guests: David Cramer In this episode, the React Round Up panelists talk to David Cramer about error tracking and troubleshooting workflows. David is the founder and CEO of Sentry, and is a software engineer by trade. He started this project about a decade ago and it was created because he had customers telling him that things were broken and it was hard to help them fix it. They talk about what Sentry is, errors, workflow management, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: David introFounder and CEO of SentryWhat is Sentry?Working with PHPDe-bugger for productionFocus on workflowGoal of SentryTriaging the problemWorkflow managementSentry started off as an open-source side projectInstrumentation for JavaScriptEmber, Angular, and npmGot their start in PythonLogsTotally open-sourceMost compatible with run-timeCan work with any languageDeep contextsDetermining the root causeAnd much, much more! Links: SentryJavaScriptEmberAngularnpmPythonSentry’s GitHub@getsentryDavid’s GitHubDavid’s Website@zeeg Sponsors Kendo UILoot CrateFreshBooks Picks: Charles Socks as Swag David VS CodeKubernetesSpecial Guest: David Cramer. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

10 Heinä 201828min

RRU 018: Evolving Patterns in React with Alex Moldovan

RRU 018: Evolving Patterns in React with Alex Moldovan

Panel: Charles Max WoodLucas ReisNader Dabit Special Guests: Alex Moldovan In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses the article Evolving Patterns in React with its author, Alex Moldovan. Alex is from Romania and works at Fortech as an engineering manager where he works mostly with the front-end development. He also is one of the co-founders of JSHeroes, which is the biggest JavaScript conference in Romania that also has a growing international community behind it. They answer some of Charles questions about React, talk about his article, their thoughts on the new changes, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Lucas was on React Round Up Episode 11Lucas intro – works for Zocdoc as a senior front-end developerAlex introAt Fortech as an engineering managerCo-founder of JSHeroesHis article Evolving Patterns in ReactReact.createClass rather than ES6 classStarted working with React in 2015React and ReduxNobody knew how to actually build an application in React in the beginningMixinsWhat has replaced the idea of mixins?Higher Order ComponentsRender Props article by Michael JacksonImplicit with mixins to explicit with render propsWhat about Context?Do you think these new changes are addressing how we build React apps?Thoughts on the new APIs and changes from 16 to 17Error boundariesSuspenseServer-side renderingUsing the ConstructorEvolving patternsAnd much, much more! Links: React Round Up Episode 11ZocdocFortechJSHeroesJavaScriptEvolving Patterns in ReactReactReduxRender Props article by Michael JacksonReact ContextReact ConstructorAlex’s MediumAlex’s GitHub@alexnmoldovan Sponsors Kendo UILoot CrateFreshBooks Picks: Charles Star RealmsHogwarts Battles Lucas SpeedCurve Nader AWS AppSync GitHub RepoBuilding AI Enabled GraphQL Applications by Naderappsync-lambda-ai Alex GraphcoolPrismaTensorFlow.jsSpecial Guest: Alex Moldovan. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

3 Heinä 20181h

RRU 017: Cloud-Hosted DevOps with Ori Zohar and Gopinath Chigakkagari LIVE at Microsoft Build

RRU 017: Cloud-Hosted DevOps with Ori Zohar and Gopinath Chigakkagari LIVE at Microsoft Build

Panel: Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Ori Zohar and Gopinath Chigakkagari In this episode, the React Round UP panelists discuss Cloud-Hosted DevOps with Ori Zohar and Gopinath Chigakkagari at Microsoft Build. Ori is on the product team at VSTS focusing on DevOps specifically on Azure. Gopinath is the group program manager in VSTS primarily working on continuous integration, continuous delivery, DevOps, Azure deployment, etc. They talk about the first steps people should take when getting into DevOps, define DevOps the way Microsoft views it, the advantages to automation, and more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Ori and Gopi introVSTS – Visual Studio Team ServicesVSTS gives developers the ability to be productiveDeveloper productivityWhat’s the first big step people should be taking if they’re getting into DevOps?The definition of DevOpsThe people and the processes as the most important pieceDevOps as the best practicesAutomating processesWhat people do when things go wrong is what really countsLetting the system take care of the problemsHave the developers work on what they are actually getting paid forTrend of embracing DevOpsShifting the production responsibility more onto the developer’sIncentivizing developersPeople don’t account for integrationContinuous integrationTrends on what customers are asking forSafetyDocker containersAnd much, much more! Links: AzureMicrosoft BuildVSTS@orizhrOri’s GitHubGopi’s GitHub@gopinach  Sponsors Kendo UILinodeFreshBooks Picks: Charles .NET Rocks!Shure SM58 MicrophoneZoom H6 Ori FitbitPacific Northwest Hiking Gopinath Seattle, WASpecial Guests: Gopinath Chigakkagari and Ori Zohar. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

26 Kesä 201850min

RRU 016: React, Redux, and JavaScript Architecture with James Sinclair

RRU 016: React, Redux, and JavaScript Architecture with James Sinclair

Panel: Charles Max WoodSia KaramalegosNader Dabit Special Guests: Jared Palmer In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses the article React, Redux, and JavaScript Architecture with the author James Sinclair. James is a web developer in Australia and he works at Squiz were he focuses on building a digital web place. They talk about his article and why he chose to write it, where he falls on the whole Redux debate, how to convince people to come to Redux, and much more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: James introReact, Redux, and JavaScript ArchitectureWhy were the people you are working with wary of leaving JavaScript?jQueryGreat article on explaining why we use ReactWhy React can be fastIs your team now moving to React or have they already moved over?Where do you fall on the Redux debate?Redux’s “disadvantages” are actually advantagesWhat is your current stack of choice?DownshiftConditioner.jsMost React tutorials assume you’re working on a single-page web appSprinkles of jQueryLearning Redux helps to learn in a more functional wayFunctional programming as an influence to learn ReduxManaging stateHow do you convince someone to learn Redux?Thoughts on GraphQLApollo Server and PrismaStimulusApollo Link StateAnd much, much more! Links: React, Redux, and JavaScript ArchitectureSquizJavaScriptjQueryReactReduxDownshiftConditioner.jsGraphQLApollo ServerPrismaStimulusApollo Link Statejrsinclair.com@jrsinclairJames’ LinkedInJames’ GitHub Sponsors Kendo UILoot CrateFreshBooks Picks: Charles Being around family and friendsSpend your life doing the things that really matter Sia Artificial IntelligenceMachine Learning Nader React Native Training YouTube ChannelNader’s YouTube James Highland.jsFunctional ProgrammingSpecial Guest: James Sinclair. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

19 Kesä 201854min

RRU 015: Visual Studio Code with Rachel MacFarlane and Matt Bierner LIVE at Microsoft Build

RRU 015: Visual Studio Code with Rachel MacFarlane and Matt Bierner LIVE at Microsoft Build

Panel: Charles Max Wood Special Guests: Rachel MacFarlane and Matt Bierner In this episode, the React Round Up panelists discuss Visual Studio Code with Rachel MacFarlane and Matt Bierner, who are both developers on Visual Studio Code. They talk about what the workflow at Visual Studio Code looks like, what people can look forward to coming out soon,  and how people can follow along the VS Code improvements on GitHub and Twitter. They also touch on their favorite extensions, like the Docker extension and the Azure extension and their favorite VS Code features. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Rachel and Matt introMonth to month workflow of Visual Studio CodeVS Code JavaScript, TypeScript, and Mark Down supportWorking on GitHub and within the communityCheck out new features incrementally with insidersCommunity-driven workWhat is coming out in Visual Studio Code?GitHub helps to determine what they work onWorking on Grid ViewImproved settings UIHighlighting unused variables in your codeImprovements with JS DocsDartVisual Studio Extension APIHow do people follow along with the VS Code improvements?Follow along on GitHub and TwitterDownload VS Code InsidersHave a general roadmap of what the plan is for the yearTechnical debt weekWhat do you wish people knew about VS Code?Favorite extensionsDocker extension and Azure extensionAnd much, much more! Links: Visual Studio CodeJavaScriptTypeScriptDartVS Code GitHub@CodeVS Code InsidersDocker extensionAzure extensionRachel’s GitHubMatt’s GitHubMattBierner.com@mattbierner Sponsors LinodeAngular Boot CampFreshBooks Picks: Charles Orphan BlackAvengers: Infinity WarFishing Rachel GitLens Matt The Bronx WarriorsSpecial Guests: Matt Bierner and Rachel MacFarlane. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

12 Kesä 201834min

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