RRU 030: "React State Museum" with Gant Laborde
React Round Up25 Syys 2018

RRU 030: "React State Museum" with Gant Laborde

Panel: Special Guests: Gant Laborde In this episode, the panel talks with Gant who has been programming for twenty years. In the past, he has been an adjunct professor and loves to teach. Finally, he talks at conferences and enjoys sharing his ideas. The panel talks about the React State Museum, among many other topics, such as: React Native, Flux, Redux, Agile, and XState. Show Topics: 1:24 – Chuck: What do you do? 2:02 – Chuck and Gant: We met at React Rally at 2016. 2:17 – Gant: I have my own sticker branding with a friend in Japan who is genius. She draws all these characters. They are my business card now. 2:41 – Chuck: React State Museum- talk about its brief history and what it is? 2:54 – Gant: React is this beautiful thing of passing these functional capsules around and managing them. Once you start creating another component, the question is how do you actually manage all of these components? We are all so happy to be on the cutting edge, but state management systems come up and die so fast. For like Facebook, there are 2 people who understand Flux. What happens is Redux is the one thing that shows up and... 6:34 – Chuck: I want to say...I think we need to change the topic. You said that JavaScript USED to be bad at classes, but it’s still bad at classes! 6:52 – Gant: Yep. 7:21 – Chuck: Typescript gets us close-ish. 7:31 – Chuck: Do you get feedback on the library? 8:12 – Gant: The requests that I’ve got - it’s from people who are better at (that0 than me. I wanted to test the lines of code. But that’s unfair because there are a lot of things to do. It really was a plan but what happens is – components that are used in this example is that in this node module... 9:41 – Panel: This is an interesting topic. When you assess any technology...if you are not a technology expert than you really can’t say. That’s interesting that you are doing this an open-source way. 10:25 – Gant: I am a huge fan of this vs. that. I am okay with say “this” one wins and “that” one looses. I don’t declare a winner cause it’s more like a Rosetta Stone. I had to find pitfalls and I respect that for the different perspectives. At the end of the day I do have opinions. But there is no winner. They are all the same and they are all extremely different. Are you trying to teach someone in one day? I learned Redux in 2 different days. 12:00 – Panel: Is there a library that helps with X, Y, Z, etc. 12:16 – Gant: I love for teaching and giving people a great start. I just set state and live life. I had to show what X is like. 13:59 – Chuck: Like this conversation about frameworks and which framework to use. Everyone was using Redux, because it was more or less what we wanted it to do. But at the time it cleaned up a bunch of code. Now we have all these other options. We are figuring out... How to write JavaScript if web assembly really took off? Do I write React with X or with Y. And how does this affect all of this? We had all of these conversations but we haven’t settled on the absolute best way to do this. 15:50 – Panel: This is great, and I think this is from the community as a whole. 17:20 – Chuck: I need to ask a question. Is this because the requirements on the frontend has changed? Or... I think we are talking about these state management systems, and this is what Lucas is talking about. 17:45 – Gant: I think it’s both. 18:43 – Panel: Websites have gotten bigger. We have always been pushing CSS. Panelist mentions Facebook Blue, among other things. What does your state look like? What does your validation look like? We are on so many different devices, and so on. 20:00 – Gant: I agree to echo everything that you all have said. I think the expectations are tighter now; that we have less drift. People are being more cognoscente and asking what is our brand. And it’s about brand consistency. And we are expecting more out of our technology, too. We keep pushing the envelope. What about these features? We want to be feature rich, and pushing these envelopes – how can we build more faster with less complexity while building it. You have to put that complexity somewhere. It’s interesting to watch. 22:00 – Chuck: How do we use this React State Museum...where are we going next? 22:19 – Gant: It’s a loaded question. Being able to ID new and interesting concepts. If you had a terrible version and Redux comes along, Redux is great for some companies but not all. You won’t see bugs that are crazy, there is a middle-wear, and maybe for your team going into Redux will make things more manageable. 25:25 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 26:05 – Panel: Understanding your problem is the first thing to do. Talking about evolutionary architecture – to build your software to evolve. What does tha fit really well? So if you have to pick something new you are in a good position. What are my needs? Don’t look too much forward or 27:38 – Chuck: Advice on looking at your problem-sets? 27:52 – Panel: We have gone from planning too much to not planning at all. I don’t need to plan for too much or else it will “hurt” me. 28:42 – Chuck comments and mentions Agile. 29:29 – Panel and Guest chime in. 29:39 – Panel: I worked on a project (3 months) we needed to do a big change. I asked them why didn’t we take that into consideration. And their answer was... 30:30 – Gant: You might get away with... 30:55 – Chuck: What are some of the knobs on this? If I turn this know Redux is looking good, but if I do this... 31:12 – Gant: There are a lot of attractive knobs. Using app sync, not using app sync. 32:33 – Gant: Is your app really effective? That’s your first important question. How much state do I need on the frontend. And vice versa. 34:02 – Gant: How easy will this be to test? Can I teach someone how to do this? If I cannot teach it then it won’t do my team any good. 34:35 – Panel adds in comments. 35:08 – Gant: Looking at tests. 37:25 – Panel: If you have a great backend team then you can move the work across the team. You have a strong team to move that work along that line – normally you can’t cross that sort of thing. 38:03 – Chuck: There are so many options, too. I see Apollo getting reach here. I don’t see it as a statement tool instead I see it as... 38:31 – Panel: Apollo State – seems like they are pushing the envelope. It’s interesting to watch. 38:54 – Chuck. 39:12 – Gant: I am going to go ahead and use this tool – I am not going to worry about it. But now you are being held accountable. 39:29 – Panel: Question for folks: React not having a blessed ecosystem can hold people back in some ways? You have the freedom to use what you want. Here are the tools that you can use. Do you tink it be better if the Facebook team could do... 40:20 – Gant: I find that I don’t like (being told) this is what you will be using. I am a person with idea. We’d all be using Flux and all be very upset. 41:00 –Then there would be 3 people who don’t understand it. 41:17 – Gant: I loved Google Wave. Fool on my once and shame on me twice... Google Video! Google comes out and says here is BLESSED and you don’t have any choice. But it’s any author for themselves. It’s a little bit silly 0 I would like a beacon from Facebook saying: Here is a guide. It seems that they can’t focus. They are running a large company; I would like to keep it open – friendly energy. 42:24 – Chuck: I am mixed feelings about this. It only plays as far as people play into it. IN a React community there are so many voices. They all have opinions on what you should/shouldn’t use. The one thing that I like about a blessed / recommended stack – brand new person – it’s a good place to art. After that if they realize that Flux is hard then they can go and try other options. There are other things out there; there is a good balance there. 43:36 – Panel: That is the Angular way right? 43:38 – Chuck: Yes but Angular is more opinionated. It’s a different feel. 44:38 - Panel + Guest continue this conversation. 45:00 – The book DRIVE is mentioned. 45:21 – Gant: ... we need more recommendations. 45:43 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Repot and how to use this? If you go and get Repot – Google React State Museum it’s really easy. How should people come to this and pick it up? 46:18 – Gant: The table that comes in there – it links to the main Repot. A lot of people showed up and contributed. First of all show up. Ga

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RRU 006: Setting Up and Getting Used to Gatsby with Aman Mittal

RRU 006: Setting Up and Getting Used to Gatsby with Aman Mittal

Panel: Charles Max WoodCory HouseTara ManicsicKent C Dodds Special Guests: Aman Mittal In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discuss setting up and getting used to Gatsby with Aman Mittal. Aman is a computer science graduate, has been working in web development for the past two years, and has worked with companies such as freeCodeCamp. He has been working with React for the past 6 months and started working with Gatsby in January of 2018. They talk about what Gatsby is, why you would want to use it, and what a simple Gatsby site would look like. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Aman introductionWhat is your experience with React?Working with Gatsby because of a clientWhat is Gatsby?Gatsby uses ReactHas become quite matureWhy Choose Gatsby?Good with small and medium business clientsGatsby and PWAsDoes it rely heavily on GraphQL?GraphQL is useful with Gatsby but it is not necessaryWhat would a simple Gatsby site look like?Index componentHas support for CSS and JSThe distinction between a static site generator and a normal web appIs Gatsby interactive on the front-end?More mature than other static site generatorsGenerate HTML files for all of your routesGatsby gives you the best of both worldsGatsby’s own websiteWorkshop.meHow would you suggest people get started with Gatsby?And much, much more! Links: freeCodeCampReact GatsbyGraphQLJavaScriptWorkshop.meAman’s GitHubAman’s Medium@AmanhimselfReadingbooks.blog Picks: Charles Get involved in your local governmentOvercast Cory The Reusable JavaScript Revolution - talk by Cory HouseConsole Log ArticleBuilding large scale react applications in a monorepo by Luis Vieira Tara React Videos on YouTube ChannelCoco Kent CocoThe Greatest ShowmanReact Testing LibraryNetlify Aman Gatsby ThemesThe Southern Reach Trilogy by Jeff VanderMeerSpecial Guest: Aman Mittal. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

10 Huhti 201845min

RRU 005: Prisma and GraphCool with Nikolas Burk

RRU 005: Prisma and GraphCool with Nikolas Burk

Panel: Charles Max WoodTara ManicsicKent C DoddsNader Dabit Special Guests: Nikolas Burk In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses Prisma and GraphCool with Nikolas Burk. Nikolas works as a developer at GraphCool, which is a small startup based in Berlin. Their latest product is Prisma, which is a GraphQL database proxy that turns your database into a GraphQL API. They talk about why you would want to use Prisma and the pros to utilizing GraphQL. They also touch on why they made GraphCool and Prisma open source so that more people could use it. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Nikolas introductionWhat is GraphCool?PrismaPrisma is the core technology that is powering GraphCoolSequel databasesHow do you communicate differences to Prisma?Using GraphQL as the interface to the databaseGraphQL is much simplerGraphQL Schema Definition LanguageWhy use Prisma?Prisma as the database layerPrisma is working on supporting more databasesWhat are the steps from database to messing with GraphCool and Prisma?MongoDBSchema driven or Schema first development2 GraphQL APIsPrisma services3 types of clustersPrisma CloudBoilerplate projectsWhy open source?And much, much more! Links: GraphCoolPrismaGraphQL Schema Definition LanguageGraphQLMongoDBPrisma CloudReact@NikolasBurkNikolasBurk.com Picks: Charles Code SponsorReactDevSummitGet a Coder Job CourseSimpleProgrammer.com@CMaxWT-Shirts to come Tara The Eccentricities of Hammer and Nail by Suz HintonMad Mattr Kent Polyfill.ioWorkshop.me Nader Workshop.meReact Native Training React Native Radio Episode 90 Nikolas GraphQL EuropeGraphQL DayThe Beginner's Guide to ReactJS by Kent C DoddsSpecial Guest: Nikolas Burk. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

3 Huhti 20181h 1min

RRU 004: Redux-Bundler with Henrik Joreteg

RRU 004: Redux-Bundler with Henrik Joreteg

Panel: Charles Max WoodTara ManicsicKent C Dodds Special Guests: Henrik Joreteg In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses redux-bundler with Henrik Joreteg. Henrik spoke at the first Node Conf, leans towards progressive web apps and single-page apps, and recently has gotten into independent consulting. He also has written a book called Human JavaScript and is working on his second book right now. They talk about his redux-bundler on GitHub and the ability to make changes behind the scenes without having to bother the user. He gives a general background on why he created the bundler and how you can use it in your programming to make your life easier. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Henrik introductionWhat is the redux-bundler?He despises using behavioral componentsIf it can be local, keep it localDon’t bother the user if you don’t need toService Workers vs redux-bundlerMaking changes behind the scenesHe loves to build appsCan you see any case where it would be useful to have a Service Worker in the background?Redux-bundler exampleRedux-bundler worker exampleWhat are the pros and cons to using the redux-bundler?At what point do you need Redux?ReactHow did you get to the point to where you decided to make this bundler?Uses React as a glorified templating languageHe gets nervous when people start writing a lot of application codeSpeedy.giftEasier to use this from the beginningThis bundler is used to show patternsAnd much, much more! Links: React Dev SummitHuman JavaScriptRedux-bundlerRedux-bundler exampleRedux-bundler worker exampleReduxReactSpeedy.GiftHenrik’s blog@HenrikJoretegReduxbook.com coming soon Picks: Charles Black PantherDevChat.tv/15minutesReact Dev SummitDevChat.tvAdventures in AngularViews on Vue Tara Women Who CodeWomen Techmakers Kent International Women’s DayGirl Develop ItApplication State Management blog postTools without config blog postConcerning toolkits blog post Henrik AnkiPartial JSDeviate by Beau LottoSpecial Guest: Henrik Joreteg. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

27 Maalis 20181h 8min

RRU 003: Advanced Component Patterns and Downshift with Kent C Dodds

RRU 003: Advanced Component Patterns and Downshift with Kent C Dodds

Panel: Charles Max WoodNader DabitKent C DoddsCory House In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses advanced component patterns and Downshift. They talk about different component patterns, especially render prop patters, and the fact that Downshift allows for your components to be much more useful generally for more people. They also note that the render prop patterns can help to separate logic from view, which makes things easier to develop. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: Component patternsDownshiftEgghead courseWhat makes it advanced?Requires taking a step back and think about your components a little differentlyIs there a React Native version?ReactRender prop patternsCode abstraction or code re-useWhy Downshift is powerfulCan use regular HTML and CSS with DownshiftAllows you to be in charge of renderingWhat other places is the render prop pattern useful?What is the benefit of using a react component over a JS component?Awesome React Render Props GitHub RepoDownshift is highly accessiblejQuery UI@MarcySuttonRender props reduce the amount of opinion that component hasChoosing render props gives the consumer more power as well as more responsibilityRender props are best used with open source projectsAnd much, much more! Links: React Dev SummitDownshiftEgghead CourseReact NativeReactAwesome React Render Props GitHub RepojQuery UI@MarcySuttonKent’s GitHubKent’s Website (with links to courses) Picks: Charles Kent’s blogHogwarts Battle Board GameTake time to write leisure codeSign up for React Dev Summit with code KentCDodds for 10% off Cory Manorisms YouTube Videos Kent React Component ComponentWinamp2-jsHis NewsletterBeyond React 16 by Dan AbramovSpecial Guest: Kent C. Dodds. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

20 Maalis 20181h 4min

RRU 002: Webpack the Good Parts with Juho Vepsäläinen

RRU 002: Webpack the Good Parts with Juho Vepsäläinen

Panel: Charles Max WoodNader DabitCory House Special Guests: Juho Vepsäläinen In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses Webpack the good parts with Juho Vepsäläinen. He talks a lot about the book he has written on Webpack, which helps people understand Webpack and how to work with it. They also discuss the advantages to using Webpack and discuss how you can use it in your coding to your benefit. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: For 10% off, use “Juho” to sign up for React Dev SummitWhat is Webpack?Juho’s Webpack book: SurviveJSReactHow can someone get into learning about Webpack if they’re not from a React background?It’s all about the contents behind WebpackHow popular is Webpack and how large is it?You don’t need to read all 400 pages of his bookIs there a certain way to write with Webpack?You can learn things as you go with WebpackHow to approach code using WebpackHow new updates with change the philosophy behind WebpackIt’s good for Webpack to have pressure from the outsideThere is no reason to use a newer tool if it already works in an older toolAre there particular plug-ins that you use in Webpack that you really like?HTML plug-inReact NativeInteresting Webpack project usesJuho’s GitHubDecreasing need to be a Webpacker expertAnd much, much more! Links: React Dev SummitWebpackSuviveJSReactReact NativeJuho’s GitHubNGconfReact Finland Conference Picks: Charles React Dev SummitView on Vue PodcastThe Whole-Brain Child by Daniel J. Siegel and Tina Payne BrysonScott Beebe Nader React blogpostReady Player One by Ernest Cline Cory The Knowledge Project Podcast Juho JAMstackSpecial Guest: Juho Vepsäläinen. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

13 Maalis 201853min

RRU 001: Getting Started with React

RRU 001: Getting Started with React

Panel:  Charles Max Wood Tara Manicsic Nader Dabit Kent C. Dodds Cory House Special Guests: None In this episode of React Round Up, the panel discusses how they each got into React and they provide some great resources for people who want to learn more about React and what it’s all about. They emphasize the fact that React is a very straightforward language and can be used relatively painlessly with a little bit of learning before jumping in. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: How each of the panelists got into ReactAngular beginningsReact NativeReact Native TrainingReact JS ConsultingNode developer beginningsBackbone to ReactRuby backgroundHow to get into React yourselfLearn things in the right orderReact-HowtoBeginners Guide to ReactJSYou Don’t Know JS, ES6, and Beyond by Kyle SimpsonCodeSandbox.ioES6Get comfortable with JavaScript firstBiggest mistake people make when learning about reactES6 and Beyond WorkshopReact CommunityHow did the panel learn ES6?And much, much more! Links: React Native Training React JS ConsultingReact-HowtoBeginners Guide to ReactJSYou Don’t Know JS, ES6, and Beyond by Kyle SimpsonCodeSandbox.ioES6 and Beyond WorkshopTara’s Twitter and GitHubCory’s Twitter, Medium Blog, and BitNative BlogNader’s Twitter, Medium, GitHub, React Native Training Blog, React Native Training YouTubeKent’s Twitter and GitHubCharles’ Twitter and DevChat.tv Picks: Charles React Course on PluralsiteReact Dev Summit 2018Ready Player One Tara JazzCon#toshmagosh Nader Viro MediaAWS AppSync Kent DogsNitin Tulswani Cory Node TipReact: The Big PictureReact RallyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

6 Maalis 20181h 8min

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