359 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall - Why Christianity?
The Symbolic World19 Syys 2024

359 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall - Why Christianity?

This conversation is in part John Vervaeke's response to my previous video with Jordan Hall (The End of Strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnR2PYtLLnI) where we discussed Jordan's recent conversion to Christianity. John fires up some questions, and we discuss different aspects of sensemaking and religious structures to answer the question: Why Christianity?

Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/Vp_08T0Ucik

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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
01:42 - Intro music
02:07 - Introduction
05:07 - John's pov on Jonathan and Jordan's conversation
08:49 - Why Christian faith?
15:38 - Jordan's answer: the Ultimate Map
18:27 - The current dialogos
21:10 - Jonathan: The Christian Escatological map
25:52 - Jordan: Relationship to Jesus
32:20 - Grief and the qualities of love
37:40 - Jonathan: Particularity beyond duality
41:43 - Jordan: A deeper capacity to suffer
44:49 - John: Being is good / Not escape
46:54 - Jonathan: Theosis
49:25 - What if this is a crypto-egoism?
55:26 - Is this the grounding of your Christian faith?
01:01:29 - Zen: Does the infinite love you?
01:11:39 - Intimacy
01:22:18 - We can't be meta
01:27:47 - Universalism
01:29:01 - We each have our callings
01:30:21 - John and Christianity

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My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

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56 - Twitter and Mass Shooters

56 - Twitter and Mass Shooters

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Looking at how Twitter and other social media are used in the social narrative can help us understand what a reign of chaos looks like. Original Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7BQaQE_Jn8 The recurring image of the mass shooter is a symptom of celebrity culture, where our attention, rather than being taken by our transcendent purpose and common identity is rather tyrannized by a succession of excesses. Original Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9smuj4sA1T8 My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

14 Syys 201934min

55 - Symbolism Happens

55 - Symbolism Happens

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau One of the criticisms I get is how by saying something is symbolic, I am somehow suggesting that it is not describing an event in the world. This stems from a deep misunderstanding of what symbolism is. Symbolism is not so much an arbitrary allegorical representation of something, but rather the very pattern by which we notice meaning. Original Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzdjUMkxsdE My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

4 Syys 201926min

54 - Conspiracy Theories and Flat Earth

54 - Conspiracy Theories and Flat Earth

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Although on the surface, Alex Jones seems to spout off crazy stuff, but when looking at the patterns in which he engages, another image begins to appear. I try to analyze some of the imagery he uses in his videos. This is based on Alex Jones' latest appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast. Original Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8BaY0e-VTQ Analyzing the symbolic meaning behind the resurgence of flat earth theories and their adherents who stem from all types of backgrounds. The strange resurgence of the flat earth movement, which became stronger in the last few years because of the internet, has surprised and confused many as to how such a social movement could be possible today. I try to look at what such social change means for us. Original Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0i-4m2L0g My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

31 Elo 201941min

53 - Wycliffe College Interview

53 - Wycliffe College Interview

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau A podcast exclusive interview. An interview conducted at Wycliffe College for a special event regarding art and its place in the world. My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

28 Elo 201930min

52 - Faith and Art

52 - Faith and Art

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau A deep discussion about Christianity, art and the place of artists of Faith in the contemporary cultural landscape. The panelists were Jonathan Pageau (iconographer), Phil Irish (contemporary visual artist) and Gloria Kim (cinematographer). The event was organized by Wycliffe College (University of Toronto) and Imago. It was held September 29th, 2019. Original video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqLrJ1uw5cE My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

24 Elo 20191h

51 - The Symbolism of Hair

51 - The Symbolism of Hair

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Part 1: Looking at the symbolism of hair in scripture and how it relates to death, to power, ornamentation and ultimately to glory. Original video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzSyBOQF7h8 Part 2: The story of Rapunzel is a very well put together story in terms of symbolism in which we can see a perfect example of the double symbolism of hair, as a form of external supplement as well as a form of ornamentation. Original video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdLAuZGmUSI My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

21 Elo 201938min

50 - Beauty Among the Ruins

50 - Beauty Among the Ruins

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau The 20th century has both wielded an absolute assault on Christianity and its artistic tradition, but in the darkest moment, a few flames were lit, and the traditions were reborn, spawning a new liturgical art which is flowering and still gaining strength today. Looking at the first glimmers like Leonid Ouspenky, Fotis Kontoglou and then moving towards the more recent artists, I finish by showing some of my own work and relating how my own story mirrors the general rediscovery of the ancient Christian Tradition. This talk was given at Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Saskatoon as part of their Rebuilding Catholic Culture series. Original video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEQHsNI6W0 My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

17 Elo 20191h 9min

49 - The Lord of the Rings - Symbolism of the Ring of Power

49 - The Lord of the Rings - Symbolism of the Ring of Power

Support this channel: thesymbolicworld.com/support/ patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau paypal: www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau We all intuitively feel that the ring of power on LOTR is intuitively right as a magic object, but what binds its aspects together to make it so fascinating? Why is it a ring, why does it make invisible, why does it participate in a dark hierarchy of power? Original video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QafvZZTtNpE My links: website: www.thesymbolicworld.com facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld/ twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan The podcast was edited by Justin Ward.

14 Elo 201921min

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