126.  Why Did Tolkien Change The Hobbit (and what did he change)? : The Hobbit #15
Exploring Tolkien17 Joulu 2024

126. Why Did Tolkien Change The Hobbit (and what did he change)? : The Hobbit #15

Once Tolkien finished writing The Lord of the Rings, it became clear to him that The Hobbit needed to change–particularly Bilbo and Gollum’s interaction in chapter 5, “Riddles in the Dark”. But what exactly did he change? How necessary was it? Did it make The Hobbit Better?

If you haven’t read the original chapter, you can download a PDF here!

Be sure to check out our side-by-side comparison, to easily spot the differences between the original and rewritten chapter.

This week we look at:

  • Why Tolkien though the tone and style of The Hobbit was a mistake.
  • How Tolkien ret-conned The Lord of the Rings into The Hobbit – right in the prologue!
  • Tolkien’s original depiction of Gandalf explaining Bilbo’s lies to Frodo (found in Peoples of Middle-earth).
  • How Tolkien changed the Ring into a character.
  • How Tolkien changed Gollum into a villain.
  • How Tolkien even made the orcs more sinister.

In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk about:

  • How Tolkien should really ever be the only person to write more Middle-earth stories.
  • Screenwriter Phillipa Boyen’s comments on The War of the Rohirrim movie and how the untold story is the most “compelling” story.
  • How her story can’t “ruin Tolkien”.
  • A few thoughts on the upcoming Chronicles of Narnia Netflix series.

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20. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 8 : Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing

20. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 8 : Full of Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing

In our darkest dreams, we never imagined Amazon would change Tolkien’s work as dramatically as they did in  The Rings of Power. In our final in-depth review, we discuss the stupidity of Celebrimbor, the Nazgirl (?) moments, and our prayer for a rapture before 2024! BECOME A PATRON! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, messageboards, and comments! Click here! Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google WindowontheWest.com If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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19. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 7 : Shadow and Flame.  And a Leaf.

19. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 7 : Shadow and Flame. And a Leaf.

In our longest review yet, Jonathan, Michael, and Dan stand amazed at the volcano survivability rate in Middle-earth, stare bemused at Galadriels’ all new personality, sit frustrated at how the Harfoots apparently forgot their traditions, and collapse with frustration at the Mithril (aka Mithricillin) storyline being foisted on us. And there’s a leaf that delved too deep. BECOME A PATRON! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, messageboards, and comments! Click here! Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google WindowontheWest.com If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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18. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 6 : Insta-Mordor!

18. The Rings of Power IN-DEPTH Review : Episode 6 : Insta-Mordor!

Jonathan, Michael, and Dan go in-depth on The Rings of Power Episode 6, “Udun”, and dive into questions like: Is Galadriel allowed to lecture us on humility? Do the Orcs OR the villagers actually have a strategy? Should they have recruited The Three Amigos? Would Arondir give you good psychological advice? BECOME A PATRON! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, messageboards, and comments! Click here! Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google WindowontheWest.com If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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17. The Wisest Elves – Of the Sindar – The Silmarillion – 11

17. The Wisest Elves – Of the Sindar – The Silmarillion – 11

In “Of the Sindar”, Tolkien returns to the OTHER elves–the ones who never left Middle-earth for Valinor. These elves created the fairest dwelling that has ever been east of the sea, worked with the Dwarves, and shielded themselves from Morgoth. Join Jonathan, Michael, and Dan as they once again test their Tolkien aptitude with “All that is gold does not glitter”, and take a brief look back two decades to how media looked at fandom (the word “toxic” wasn’t automatically attached to it). SUPPORT THIS PODCAST AND BECOME A PATRON! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, messageboards, and comments. Click here! Episode 13 Links October 2001 Wired Article Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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16. The Rings of Power : Episode 2 : In-Depth Discussion (where no detail matters)

16. The Rings of Power : Episode 2 : In-Depth Discussion (where no detail matters)

The more we watch the show, the clearer it is that all the details don’t matter to The Rings of Power. Jonathan, Michael, and Dan discuss Episode 2 and Galadriel’s “I’m fine” face (????), Encino Man and the Harfoots, the made up Morgoth story, and how Elrond ghosted Durin. Become a Patron Join our private Discord chat, access our messageboard, and listen to our extended podcast! Become a PATRON Subscribe to our Podcast ???? Apple Google If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien

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15. The Rings of Power : Episode 1 : In-Depth Discussion (and a Michael Scott moment)

15. The Rings of Power : Episode 1 : In-Depth Discussion (and a Michael Scott moment)

Jonathan and Michael dive into a deeper discussion of Episode 1 of The Rings of Power, “A Shadow of the Past”. They look at how much of Tolkien’s work is in the show, if the show is standing up to the excellence Tolkien’s work demands, and where the show channels its inner Michael Scott :). Become a Patron Join our private Discord chat, access our messageboard, and listen to our extended podcast! Become a PATRON Subscribe to our Podcast ???? Apple Google If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien

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14. Tolkien is Worth Defending :  Why The Rings of Power MUST be excellent!

14. Tolkien is Worth Defending : Why The Rings of Power MUST be excellent!

Jonathan, Michael, and Dan discuss why Tolkien is worth defending–and defending ardently. If Tolkien’s work is truly excellent, how much excellence should we demand from those sub-creating in his world? Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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13. Burn the Ships – Of the Flight of the Noldor – The Silmarillion – 10

13. Burn the Ships – Of the Flight of the Noldor – The Silmarillion – 10

We tackle one of our favorite chapters in The Silmarillion: “Of the Flight of the Noldor”. Finally the ill choices of Fëanor are brought to bear as we watch the grievous opening to a long tale that inevitably leads to “unnumbered tears”. Join Jonathan, Michael, and Dan as they continue to test their Tolkien aptitude with “All that is gold does not glitter”, and find out what might be Tolkien’s best book–outside of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit! Episode 12 Links The Children of Hurin Subscribe to our Podcast Apple Google If You Like Tolkien ???? The Silmarillion The Atlas of Middle-earth The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien The Book of Lost Tales The Children of Hurin Get The Silmarillion audio book for FREE! Just become an Audible Premium Plus member, get your first month (and book credit free), use that credit to get The Silmarillion, and then cancel before your first month is up!

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