Escalation: Tracking the US-Ukraine Relationship
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Escalation: Tracking the US-Ukraine Relationship

The United States and Ukraine have had a long, complicated history that has been defined by just as much partnership and collaboration as hesitation and disagreement. This dynamic is laid bare in the 7-part podcast series ‘Escalation,’ produced by our partners at Goat Rodeo, with the national security publication Lawfare. In April 2025, The International Spy Museum hosted a panel discussion on the Washington-Kyiv relationship moderated by SpyCast host Sasha Ingber, and featuring Ukrainian journalist Anastasiia Lapatina, Lawfare’s Managing Editor Tyler McBrien, Retired Brigadier General Kipling Kahler, and former National Security Council spokesperson Emily Horne. To listen to the whole Escalation series, visit: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/podcasts-multimedia/podcast/escalation Prefer to watch your podcasts? Find us on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@IntlSpyMuseum/podcasts. Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic, you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org. This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and the Iraq War

Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and the Iraq War

After responding to inquiries from listeners, Peter interviews Melissa Mahle who served for over a decade in the CIA’s clandestine service in the Middle East. Melissa provides a unique intelligence perspective on 9/11, terrorist threats, and America’s continuing engagement in Iraq. She also discusses career opportunities in the intelligence community and the changing role of women in the CIA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Touko 200732min

FBI Counterintelligence and the Robert Hanssen Spy Case

FBI Counterintelligence and the Robert Hanssen Spy Case

Peter discusses the Robert Hanssen spy case with retired Senior FBI Supervisory Special Agent David Major who knew Hanssen for over 20 years and was one of his supervisors. Dave shares his thoughts on Hanssen’s personality and reasons for spying for the Russians. Last not least, Dave offers his perspective on how the movie Breach captures and misses aspects of the Hanssen espionage case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2 Huhti 200727min

The Movie Breach and Hollywood’s Take on Espionage

The Movie Breach and Hollywood’s Take on Espionage

Peter interviews Eric O’Neill, the FBI investigator who went undercover as Robert Hanssen’s clerk during the final months before Hanssen was arrested for espionage. O’Neill is the model for Ryan Phillippe’s character in the current movie Breach. O’Neill talks about the ways the film mirrors—and diverges—from his real experiences with one of America’s most damaging spies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Maalis 200736min

Israeli Intelligence and the Jonathan Pollard Spy Case

Israeli Intelligence and the Jonathan Pollard Spy Case

Peter sits down with Ron Olive, former special agent in charge of counterintelligence for the Naval Investigative Service, to discuss Olive’s role in the capture of Jonathan Pollard, one of the most controversial spies in history. Ron talks about investigating and interrogating Pollard, explores Pollard’s motivations and significance, and reveals the real significance of gift cacti. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Helmi 200734min

Reviewing Robert De Niro’s The Good Shepherd

Reviewing Robert De Niro’s The Good Shepherd

Peter discusses the film The Good Shepherd with former CIA officer Jack Platt and AFIO (Association for Intelligence Officers) Director Elizabeth Bancroft, comparing fact and fiction in the OSS and CIA. Enjoy a bonus spoiler in which the three debate the meaning of the ending—and the best way to destroy secret information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

6 Tammi 200731min

The Litvinenko Murder and Other Riddles from Moscow

The Litvinenko Murder and Other Riddles from Moscow

Peter sits down with former CIA officer Bob Rayle and Oleg Kalugin to talk Russia past and present. The three discuss their perspectives on the recent poisoning of former KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko. Then, they turn to 1967 and Bob's role in the extraordinary defection of Svetlana Alliluyeva, daughter of Josef Stalin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Secret History of Disguises

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Peter talks with Tony Mendez, former Chief of Disguise for the CIA. Peter and Tony discuss the intricacies of developing disguises for use in hostile environments, the advantages of selective aging, and the secret history of facial recognition technology. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Marras 200624min

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