Everything Happens with Kate Bowler27 Touko 2025

Stacey Heale: The Aftermath of the Aftermath

When Stacey Heale’s husband, Greg, was diagnosed with terminal cancer, life became a blur of caregiving, grief, and trying to hold a family together with two small children and no time to waste. Overnight, Stacey became a caregiver, medical advocate, emotional buffer, and the person holding all the impossible pieces. In this tender and fiercely honest conversation, Stacey and Kate talk about what it means to love someone all the way to the end, and then somehow keep living. They explore the invisible labor of caregiving, the loneliness of anticipatory grief, and the weird sacredness of the small things that break you. There are no perfect endings here. Just the beauty and brutality of trying to live inside a love that doesn’t get to last. Heads up: There’s some strong language in this episode—because sometimes life is just too much for tidy words. In this conversation, Kate and Stacey discuss: Why we grieve the ordinary things like school plays and grocery store noodles What it means to love someone without believing in soulmates The quiet devastation of living in the “before and after” The strange glow of early grief and what happens when it fades If you liked this episode, you’ll also like: John Green: Chronic not Curable Clover Stroud: The Rituals of Grief Tembi Locke: Grief of the Almosts Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts. Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen Again: Am I Ruining My Kid? with Dr. Becky Kennedy

There are no training manuals for this. Just a child staring up at you with cartoon eyes and an inner monologue that asks: Am I doing this right? Am I ruining them? Kate sits down with Dr. Becky Kenn...

30 Kesä 44min

Listen Again: What Makes Life Worth Living? with Atul Gawande

In this episode, Kate speaks with surgeon, writer, and public health leader Dr. Atul Gawande about the deeply human questions that surface when medicine meets its limits. What does it mean to be a goo...

23 Kesä 42min

Listen Again: Stay Curious with Alan Alda

We don’t usually have repeat guests on this podcast… except we’re making an exception for the wonderful and wise Alan Alda. Alan Alda, of course, is an award-winning actor, writer, director, and podca...

9 Kesä 55min

Listen Again: The Mystery of God with N.T. Wright

Scripture can become a weapon in the hands of the ultra-certain. As if every pain or suffering is part of “God’s divine plan.” So how should we understand and apply the Bible to our real lives with ou...

26 Touko 51min

Listen Again: Everyone’s From Somewhere with Erin & Ben Napier

Erin and Ben Napier didn’t plan on becoming household names. They were just trying to build a beautiful life in their beloved hometown of Laurel, Mississippi, one house, one neighbor, one Main Street ...

12 Touko 32min

Doubt, Depth, and the Future of Belief with Tomáš Halík

What happens to faith when certainty collapses? Kate Bowler sits down with theologian and former underground priest Tomáš Halík to explore belief forged under surveillance, the spiritual value of doub...

28 Huhti 42min

How to Love the World Anyway with Nadia Bolz-Weber and Sarah Bessey

Kate Bowler is joined by Nadia Bolz-Weber and Sarah Bessey for an honest, funny, and deeply tender conversation about what it means to be people of faith right now. When the world feels overwhelming—p...

21 Huhti 51min

Joy, Absurdity, and the Weird Ways We Survive with Rhett McLaughlin and Jenny Lawson

What if humor isn’t just a personality trait—but a survival strategy? Kate Bowler sits down with writer Jenny Lawson and entertaining YouTuber Rhett McLaughlin to talk about the strange, often dark r...

14 Huhti 56min