#472 - Why You’re Losing Deals by Not Picking Up the Phone | Michelle Cecil

#472 - Why You’re Losing Deals by Not Picking Up the Phone | Michelle Cecil

Getting your buyer live on the phone isn’t old school—it’s elite. In this episode, Michelle Cecil, two-time President’s Club winner at Procore, shares how dialing instead of emailing builds trust, collapses timelines, and puts you back in control of your deals. Her approach proves that the phone isn’t dead—it’s your most underused weapon. 🎙 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Don’t negotiate over email — Use a “carrot on a stick” to earn a callback, then close the gap in live conversation where nuance and urgency can thrive. Own the reference process — Prep your prospect and your customer, set the agenda, and run the call. You are the producer—don’t outsource the close. Call before big demos — Reach out to every stakeholder with a simple message: “I want this meeting to be worth your time.” You’ll get more replies than you think. JUST DO THIS: Pick one deal in your pipeline. Find a reason to call your champion today—and do it. MICHELLE’S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB: Commercial AE: 2X President’s Club winner with 11 consecutive fully ramped quarters at or above quota from day one as an AE. AE to Commercial Manager: Promoted 5 times internally from SDR to Enterprise AE to Manager demonstrating consistent growth, adaptability, and long-term impact. Commercial AE: In 8+ years, missed only 2 quarterly numbers RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Save $50 on any 30MPC course with code “PODCAST” Free Sales Templates, Scripts and Guides JOB LISTINGS Account Executive (Sponsorships) Account Executive (Courses) Content Strategist

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#295 - Enterprise Pipeline Reviews & Deal Planning (Greg Baumann, Outreach)

#295 - Enterprise Pipeline Reviews & Deal Planning (Greg Baumann, Outreach)

FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Ask your reps to think about the "first win" they can make with a large account Look for "Alumni" who have recently left key accounts who might be able to make introductions or provide information for your reps to use Have your reps record "Last Activity" and "Next Meeting" on their opportunities so you can quickly scan through your dashboard and see which deals are at risk and need more attention If your team have opportunities with next steps far into the future ask "did the rep follow up and did they get a response?" if the answer is no more work is needed PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Director of Enterprise Sales, National @ Outreach Enterprise Sales Director, East @ Outreach Strategic Account Executive @ Outreach Territory Sales Executive @ Sitecore RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

9 Touko 202433min

#294 - May Special: Negotiation ft. Chris Voss (Part 1)

#294 - May Special: Negotiation ft. Chris Voss (Part 1)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Condition your prospect for future interactions by giving them time back in their calendar & leaving them on a positive note Do not talk to people when they are distracted, Labelling someone's emotion builds trust and gets them to tell you more information for example "It seems like the value isn't there for you" If someone is asking for an unreasonable discount get them to think about the potential implication of fit by saying "How are we supposed to deliver {value} while lowering our price?" RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Chris' Newsletter "The Edge"

7 Touko 202432min

#293 - Hall of Fame: Charles Muhlbauer

#293 - Hall of Fame: Charles Muhlbauer

Four Actionable Takeaways:  Ask educated impact q’s like: “Besides X, Y, Z, what else happens because of A?”. Lean on humbling disclaimers before asking the tough questions.  Bring the future to the present: let’s pretend you love what you see...what happens next? Disco flow: High level context > raise issues > identify key issue > get a story > impact questions > recap and playback. Charles’ Path to President’s Club:  Sr Biz Dev Training Manager at CB Insights Founder at SalesShare RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

6 Touko 202432min

#292 - Overcoming Team Call Reluctance and Setting Activity Benchmarks (Ken Amar, Agoge Prospecting School)

#292 - Overcoming Team Call Reluctance and Setting Activity Benchmarks (Ken Amar, Agoge Prospecting School)

FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Do a "headhunting drill" and have your new reps call your own executive team SDRs should have 300-400 prospects in sequence Test your rep's call from numbers to be sure they aren't being marked as "spam likely" Sit next to reps with slow workflows to observe what's slowing them down PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Consultant @ Agoge Prospecting School Director of Sales Development @ Vercel Senior Manager of Sales Development @ Outreach SDR Team Lead @ Outreach RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Agoge Sequence

2 Touko 202434min

#291 - Handling Gatekeepers & Office Drop Ins (Chip Wooten, Motive)

#291 - Handling Gatekeepers & Office Drop Ins (Chip Wooten, Motive)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Find your prospect's birthday and then add them to your calendar to send thoughtful notes If a competitor is faltering run a list report of all their customers and prospect them If doing in-person office visits bring a gift to break the ice and leave a memorable impressions If you missed something on a meeting, don't wait until the next meeting, just give the buyer a call on their mobile phone and ask (don't make it awkward) PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Senior Mid-Market Account Executive @ Motive Senior Commercial Account Executive @ Motive Commercial Account Executive @ Motive Sales Consultant & Benefits Advisor @ First Mainstreet Account Executive @ Procore Technologies RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

30 Huhti 202430min

#290 - Hall of Fame: Morgan Melo

#290 - Hall of Fame: Morgan Melo

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Use typically language and stories to gain credibility with your prospect, leading to deeper discovery. Ask your champion how they plan on justifying a purchase to the larger org. This aligns you to business level problems and also serves as champion validation.  Mirror multithreading in the sales cycle. Bring a VP for a CXO. Bring an SE for a technical buyer. Bring in product for someone cross-functional. Leverage your own senior leaders to story-tell and pull in the people at power during the demo. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ Pave Healthcare & Life Science Account Executive @ Carta Client Strategist @ PwC RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

29 Huhti 202432min

#289 - Lead Playbook Part 2: Mark and Armand on How to Structure Your Interviews to Hire Great Sales Talent

#289 - Lead Playbook Part 2: Mark and Armand on How to Structure Your Interviews to Hire Great Sales Talent

FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Designate specific people to cover very specific topics in the interview process so they can get really good at those core competencies. Leave the generic questions to another company. When you got them hooked, talk them out of it. If you can talk them out of it, they wouldn’t have worked out anyway. Sell early, grill after. Get someone to opt in by selling them on your goals and your mission. Then, gain their respect by grilling the heck out of them. Each step in the process should test for different dimensions of sales and should be handled by different people with that expertise. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

25 Huhti 202429min

#288 - Testing Champions and Getting to Power (Maddy Jackson, Webflow)

#288 - Testing Champions and Getting to Power (Maddy Jackson, Webflow)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS If you feel like you have leverage in a deal, but haven't gotten in front of the right stakeholders to progress the deal, use that as a non-negotiable to begin negotiations Sit down and write down your own "Gives" and "Gets" that you can trade with your buyer during a sales cycle Someone liking your offering does not make them an effective champion, ask questions like "Is {title} aware of these conversations?" to test them When trying to get access to power use labelling statements like "I often hear {title} likes to weigh in, is that the same for you?" PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ SafeGraph Account Executive @ Procore Technologies RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

23 Huhti 202429min

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