No Apologies Given With 'Bar' McKinnon From UMLAUT

No Apologies Given With 'Bar' McKinnon From UMLAUT

Interview by Kris Peters
At first glance/listen, Melbourne-based experimental collective Umlaut are yet another in a growing line of bands creating 'art' instead of music by throwing together an eclectic grouping of sounds and instruments as their personal choice of expression. Their style and seemingly haphazard musical output is, at first, difficult to take in, but once you find out the backstory to the band things seem to make infinitely more sense and the proverbial penny drops like a lead balloon.
All of a sudden, the same music that 60 seconds ago sounded like a layered multitude of messiness now sounds like a Picasso painting would were it able to sing. Why?
Because Umlaut's founding member is none other than Clinton ‘Bär’ McKinnon. You know the one? The same guy that was a major part of Mr. Bungle's sound before the turn of the century? Except this time as Umlaut prepares to drop their new album Desole there's another person who, by presence alone, helps set the askew things into a more palatable delicacy. His is another name you should recall - especially if you are a Bungle fan.
Joining Umlaut with McKinnon - funnily enough, with both of them now living in Australia - is former Mr. Bungle skin thumper Danny Heifitz. Along with Angus Leslie and Shane Lieber, Umlaut's new, more streamlined four-piece are diving headfirst into a new chapter—one forged in chemistry, intuition, and a shared love of unpredictability.
With Desole scheduled for a July 25 release, HEAVY was granted exclusive time with McKinnon to discuss a wide range of topics, from the new album to his days with Mr. Bungle and everything in between.
"This thing has been so delayed and a long time coming," he sighed. "On some levels, I don't even believe that it's going to come out (laughs). I'm hoping that it does!"
We ask McKinnon to go deeper into Desole from a musical point of view and what he was going for with it.
"In the past, it's been a very instrumental, chamber-pop affair with some songs thrown in there with vocals," he measured. "This album is pretty vocal-heavy in a way and straight-ahead in a lot of ways. It's funny, I get these questions like, what is different about this album? And I'm not really sure. The main difference with this album is that it's got the legendary Danny Heifetz on drums from Mr. Bungle, the true DNA of Mr. Bungle. And he's down here in this town with us and has graced us with his drumming on this album. We're really excited about that and people hearing that. I think people will hear that Mr. Bungle DNA in the drums when they hear Danny doing his thing. It's just very straight ahead, it doesn't it doesn't mess around."
In the full interview, Clinton discussed further the release of Desolé, humorously critiquing its title and sharing insights into the production challenges they faced. He provided details about the musical style, noting a shift towards a more vocal-heavy and energetic sound, influenced by drummer Danny Heifetz's contributions.
Clinton reflected on the emotional journey of releasing music, likening it to a parent's hopes for their child, and discussed the balance between creating hit songs and maintaining authenticity. He emphasized the collaborative nature of Umlaut, highlighting the importance of each member's input, particularly guitarist Angus's production skills. The conversation also touched on the desire for listeners to appreciate the album as a whole rather than just singles, with HEAVY endorsing the album's quality and encouraging the band to continue their creative efforts.
Talk also turned to Mr. Bungle's tenure as a band, including some funny insights into his relationship with Mike Patton. We spoke about Bungle's legacy and what they brought to music and more.


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Backstage chats with ALL TIME LOW At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage chats with ALL TIME LOW At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Angela gets cozy with All Time Low.Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them. Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

11 Joulu 8min

Backstage Chats With YOURS TRULY At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage Chats With YOURS TRULY At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Kyra and Angela get up close with Yours Truly. Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them. Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

11 Joulu 13min

Living In A Perfect World With STEVE TULIPANA From SEASON TO RISK

Living In A Perfect World With STEVE TULIPANA From SEASON TO RISK

In 1994, Season to Risk had been on tour for the past four years, playing as a young opening band on legendary shows with Killdozer, Unsane, Neurosis, Prong and Killing Joke. Their first album had sold well, with songs charting on radio and getting music video airtime on MTV and Canada's Much Music. There was an opportunity to take advantage of the popular wave of alt rock and nu metal dominating the air waves and being signed unexpectedly to major label Columbia Records put them in the position that they had amazing support as artists, but also someone to answer to and the machine must be fed.The band decided instead to work with Martin Bisi (producer of Sonic Youth, Foetus, Swans, Cop Shoot Cop) and use their major label money to deliver a punishing post hardcore masterpiece of crushing noise rock, In A Perfect World. The album has become a cult classic and over the course of the past 30 years, some of the songs off In A Perfect World became mainstays in live shows.And now, Season To Risk have decided the time is right to revisit that timeless album, having In A Perfect World remastered by Duane Trower (Weights & Measures Soundlab), creating a reissue that gains new clarity without losing its raw urgency. Released on Record Store Day in the United States, In A Perfect World has been rejigged to embrace the modern sound, with Season To Risk using the experience to harness their focus and energy into live shows and a new record.Singer Steve Tulipana joined HEAVY to take us behind the scenes. We start by asking if the nerves are any different, releasing the same album three decades later."I mean, it's weird," he smiled, "It's 30 years old, which is kind of a trip obviously for us. To think about how much time has passed… It doesn't feel like 30 years ago by any means, which is over half my life. I'm more nervous because we have some US dates we're going to start. It's a pretty gruelling little run of shows we're doing, and we haven't done that in many, many years. So that's got me nervous, more than the record coming out".Going into In A Perfect World back in 1994, Season To Risk had just finished four years on the road and were understandably more than a little jaded. We ask Steve if this had any effect on the finished product."Yes, I do think we were (jaded)," he nodded. "So a lot of the material from the first record - and it's a cleaner record for sure - we were young, and it was our first material that you take a bunch of years to write. Then you get signed, and then it was delayed forever. We were always trying to challenge ourselves, and we were wanting to be more… it's not like it was incredibly conscious. I mean, we didn't want to sell out, but we were trying to find this heavy thing. We had some road on us, and we had some life experience on us at that point so it was darker and things were a little more fucked up. To be candid, I was a little more fucked up in my head, but that's the experience you go through, right?"In the full interview, Steve focused on the reissue of In A Perfect World, reflecting on the surreal nature of the album's 30-year anniversary. The remastering process was highlighted, with improvements made by guitarist Duane Trower being explained, although digital rights for a remastered version have not been granted by Sony, leaving fans without a digital option for now.The conversation also explored the band's artistic evolution, with Steve discussing their maturation and the incorporation of new elements like synthesizers in their upcoming material. The importance of clarity in lyrics while maintaining a unique sound was emphasized. We spoke about the release of a new album, with the aim for completion by the first quarter of the next year.Steve discussed the natural evolution of Season To Risk and how it has impacted their music and more.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

11 Joulu 23min

Backstage chats with COBRA STARSHIP At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage chats with COBRA STARSHIP At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Angela sits down for an awesome one on one with Cobra Starship.Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them. Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

10 Joulu 8min

Backstage chats with WINDWAKER At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage chats with WINDWAKER At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Kyra gets to know Aussie metal sensations Windwaker.Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them.Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

10 Joulu 11min

Bringing The Discovery Down Under With CAMERON LOSCH From BORN OF OSIRIS

Bringing The Discovery Down Under With CAMERON LOSCH From BORN OF OSIRIS

Interview by Angela CroudaceAfter years of anticipation, Born of Osiris are finally set to return to Australia this coming March and for drummer Cameron Losch, the excitement is doubled. While the band last toured the country six years ago, Cameron himself hasn’t performed on Australian soil for roughly a decade due to an injury during their previous run. “I am just so excited. It’s been way too long,” he says, reflecting on how much he loved every visit in the past.Some of his clearest memories include being pranked about “drop bears” moments after landing, and wandering through bushland stunned by wild kangaroos an experience far removed from his Midwest home. This time, he’s hoping for more of those uniquely Australian moments, plus a chance to reconnect with fans face-to-face, something he’s grown to treasure deeply on recent tours.Australia will also be among the first to witness a major milestone: the 15-year anniversary celebration of The Discovery. The band is performing eight tracks from the beloved album, reworked with fresh flair. Cameron promises surprises, intensity, and some of the most challenging drumming of his career.Sharing the bill with the crushing Signs of the Swarm, Born of Osiris’ March run is shaping up to be an unmissable blend of nostalgia, evolution, and explosive energy. Australia, get ready, they’re coming back stronger than ever.BORN OF OSIRIS and SIGNS OF THE SWARM 2026 Australian Tour DatesWednesday 18th March ADELAIDE, Lion Arts FactoryThursday 19th March MELBOURNE, Max WattsFriday 20th March BRISBANE, Brightside OutdoorsSaturday 21st March SYDNEY, Manning BarTickets From: https://thephoenix.au/born-of-osiris-2026/Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

10 Joulu 26min

Backstage chats with LORNA SHORE At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage chats with LORNA SHORE At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Kyra and Angela chat with the most brutal band on the bill, Lorna Shore. Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them.Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

10 Joulu 15min

Backstage chats with NEW FOUND GLORY At GOOD THINGS 2025

Backstage chats with NEW FOUND GLORY At GOOD THINGS 2025

HEAVY was lucky to again be invited backstage at Good Things 2025 to chat with the bands about their shows and other fun stuff. Today, Angela and Kris speak with New Found Glory, who were the perfect band to start the day.Big thanks to Destroy All Lines and the team at Dallas Does PR for allowing us to share the day with them.Big thanks also to the team - Kyra, Geoffro and Angela as well as our new video team, Grey & Brook.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heavy-music-interviews--2687660/support.

10 Joulu 12min

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