AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

Emanuel Martonca, founder of Soft Fight, reveals how agentic AI is solving one of the biggest challenges in IT services: coordinating pricing decisions across hundreds of people in decentralized organizations.

After his career journey from product management to sales management to discovering pricing at a Simon Kucher workshop, Emanuel shares how his bootstrapped company evolved from traditional consulting to building AI-powered pricing agents that act as an ever-present pricing manager- coaching teams, improving proposals, and recommending pricing models without sending a single byte of data outside the client's infrastructure.

In this episode, learn why AI should augment rather than replace pricing teams, why deterministic calculations still matter, and how to quantify value in IT services without universal quality standards.

Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast:

  • Discover how AI solves coordination problems in large IT services companies where hundreds of people make pricing decisions without pricing expertise.
  • Learn why AI should augment pricing teams, not replace them, and why deterministic calculations still matter more than probabilistic AI outputs.
  • Understand how to quantify value in IT services using measurable quality attributes instead of universally accepted standards.

"Pricing is leverage. It allows you to have an impact with very few actions, with little effort."

– Emanuel Martonca

Topics Covered:

01:32 -Emanuel's transformational discovery of pricing at a Belgian retail bank workshop that revealed a world he didn't know existed—launching 18 years of pricing-focused work.

02:37 - Why pricing is the ultimate leverage tool, especially in B2B tech where "it's just communication"—what you write in Excel, on websites, and in proposals.

03:28 - How the pandemic transformed Emanuel from a globe-trotting sales manager into a pricing consultant, then bootstrapped Soft Fight to solve the value extraction gap in tech companies.

04:41 - How large IT companies lose money when hundreds of non-experts across five functions (finance, marketing, sales, delivery, executives) make pricing decisions on every custom project.

06:59 - The evolution from deterministic SaaS pricing rules to AI-augmented agents installed in client infrastructure—solving pricing problems in hours instead of years without sending data externally.

08:00 - Why new deals lack technical depth and renewals lack value articulation—and how AI coordinates knowledge without restructuring organizations.

11:00 - Eight AI agents (four for understanding, four for justifying) with access to all systems but zero external communication—no security or privacy risks.

13:00 - All pricing calculations remain deterministic because AI makes too many mistakes—it's used only for reading RFPs, emails, and meeting notes to improve value communication.

14:17 - How AI acts as a coach recommending pricing models with ready-made arguments, eliminating months of change management—with email as the main interface.

16:17 - Why determining "how long will this take?" is unpredictable and varies by person and timing—and how AI solves the costliest unknown in custom projects.

18:00 - Mark's perspective on why costs matter less than value, and why companies avoid alternative pricing models despite knowing hourly billing hurts both sides.

21:00 - When AI tools cut development time, hourly pricing becomes self-defeating: "You're cutting your own revenue"—forcing the industry to finally sell value, not time.

21:56 - Starting with measurable quality attributes on invented scales that competitors can't compare—getting 80% of the way just by having the quantification discussion.

23:00 - Mark's framework for B2B value and why results translate to economic impact through customer KPIs like reduced complaints, not abstract "quality" metrics.

25:00 - Unlike automotive suppliers with nanometer specs, IT services vendors can define their own quality metrics—putting them two steps ahead of alternatives.

26:00 - The necessity of industry knowledge for value conversations (increase revenue, reduce costs, mitigate risk) and how AI enables understanding of new sectors that would've taken years.

27:30 - Final Advice: AI as Your Pricing Force Multiplier Using AI for research, analysis, and domain understanding when teams are too small or mandates unclear—plus how to connect with Emanuel on LinkedIn.

Key Takeaways:

"AI is a huge multiplier for pricing experts—not for calculating prices, I agree with you on that, it's not there yet. But for everything else around pricing, whether we want to call it product management, analysis, or research, it can help us overcome typical challenges." - Emanuel Martonca

"Pricing is a change management problem. It can be done, it'll take months, sometimes years, and they have to experiment and they have to make mistakes." - Emanuel Martonca

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Navigating Pricing Systems and Value-Based Selling in SaaS with Mac Kremer

Navigating Pricing Systems and Value-Based Selling in SaaS with Mac Kremer

Mac Kremer leads the pricing strategy practice at K1 Investment Management. He is experienced in B2B SaaS investing and value creation work. In this episode, Mac shares strategies for growing SaaS businesses through price increases, upsells, cross-sells, and increased usage. It discusses the complexities of implementing pricing systems and emphasizes the importance of flexibility and understanding your pricing model. Additionally, it highlights the need to educate sales teams on value-based selling to reduce discounting and improve sales effectiveness. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Discover valuable strategies for growing SaaS businesses, including ways to expand, manage and track revenue streams effectively. Understand the complexities of implementing pricing systems in various-sized companies and find out solutions from simple tools to more sophisticated systems. Learn practical tips on communicating value to customers, helping sales teams to sell more effectively reducing the reliance on discounts. "Sit down with whoever's responsible for pricing, decide to set up a committee and a cadence and just start talking about it more and more." - Mac Kremer Topics Covered: 01:35 - How Mac found himself in pricing 02:42 - Describing his role at a private equity firm as both an advisor and consultant 03:38 - Discussing the importance of customer conversations in understanding value propositions 05:47 - Explaining that value can also include benefits beyond profit 07:28 - Similarities and differences between B2B and B2C purchasing decisions 08:49 - Using ROI calculators and the ability of sales reps to contextualize ROI within the business's specific goals 09:56 - How ownership of pricing in a company depends on its stage of development 14:01 - Importance of forecasting and budgeting for pricing activities 16:00 - Understanding the sources of revenue growth highlighting the four ways to grow a customer: Win, Keep, Grow 19:49 - What to focus on when it comes to net revenue retention 21:35 - Variety of pricing systems used and how it depends on the complexity of pricing models used 23:55 - The complexities of implementing and managing pricing systems as companies grow 25:57 - Helping salespeople understand and communicate value 29:06 - Mac's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "Customer conversations are so critical to understanding the value proposition of your solution, and where you kind of see your customer's perceiving value before you even start to talk about price." - Mac Kremer "The best place to start when you're having customer conversations is, you can go in and you can kind of engineer the true value calculator, the EVC, the economic value to the customer. But I think it's also just understanding their perception of the value that they're receiving. Because I think value comes in a lot of different forms, even outside of just profit." - Mac Kremer "A lot depends on the complexity of your pricing model when you go to think about what system we should be using?" - Mac Kremer People/Resources Mentioned: Maxio: https://www.maxio.com Chargebee: https://www.chargebee.com Gainsight: https://www.gainsight.com NetSuite: https://www.netsuite.com/portal/home.shtmlSalesforce:https://www.salesforce.com Tableau: https://www.tableau.com Connect with Mac Kremer: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mac-kremer/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

22 Heinä 202431min

Blogcast: The Price is NEVER Right!

Blogcast: The Price is NEVER Right!

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 30, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/the-price-is-never-right/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

19 Heinä 20242min

Pricing for the Planet: Leveraging Sustainability as a Competitive Advantage with Fabien Cros

Pricing for the Planet: Leveraging Sustainability as a Competitive Advantage with Fabien Cros

With 10+ years in strategic data-marketing, digital, AI and management consulting across sectors like automotive, travel, pharma, and BPO, Fabien Cros has been recognized for his knack to develop and deploy impactful, data-driven solutions. His expertise spans data consulting, AI solutions, UX, marketing analytics, and more. In this episode, Fabien shares successful case studies, such as Patagonia and Decathlon, demonstrating how companies can transition to more sustainable business models and achieve higher profitability. Also, learn practical advice and strategies that can be directly applied to a company's business operations, helping make informed decisions and drive impact. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Discover how to incorporate sustainability into your business models and pricing strategies, gaining valuable insights along the way Gain in-depth knowledge and practical advice on leveraging sustainability as a competitive advantage, backed by real-world examples and data Learn why there is a significant untapped market for sustainability-focused products and services, making it relevant for businesses aiming to capture new customer segments and drive profitability "Go in depth, over-segment your market because you need to understand this new trend emerging around sustainability. Because it's a major untapped market for a lot of brands and companies." - Fabien Cros Topics Covered: 01:52 - How he got into pricing 03:43 - Introducing the concept of integrating pricing strategies with sustainability goals 10:25 - Discussing the challenges and benefits of integrating sustainability into pricing strategies 14:23 - Delving deeper into the concept of sustainability in pricing -- that sustainability is more than just a feature; it's a fundamental shift in business practices 18:30 - Acknowledging challenges integrating sustainability in pricing but also highlighting growing consumer awareness and regulatory pressures around sustainability 22:46 - The potential for sustainability as a competitive advantage in pricing strategies 27:21 - Examples of large companies successfully integrating sustainable practices 30:23 - Fabien's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "What we say with Pricing for the Planet is, move to what we call 21st century concept which is value-based pricing. That way you can create additional revenue and additional profits. That way you can invest into sustainability." - Fabien Cros "The data is showing us that you have a subset of the population. They're so passionate and they're so convinced that it's crucial that you cannot forget this market and this market segment could actually fuel a lot of the money and a lot of the financial need that is required to move to a more sustainable business model." - Fabien Cros "We are trying to convey this message that sustainability could be viewed as a feature for the end users, but it's a new way of doing business." - Fabien Cros People/Resources Mentioned: Accenture: https://www.accenture.com/ Stephan Liozu: https://impactpricing.com/podcast/582-segmentation-strategies-uncovered-driving-revenue-through-focus-and-value-with-stephan-liozu/ Schneider Electric: https://www.se.com/ww/en/ Patagonia: https://www.patagonia.com/home/ Doc Martens: https://us.rewair.drmartens.com/ BCG: https://www.bcg.com Michelin: https://www.michelinman.com Decathlon: https://www.decathlon.com Connect with Fabien Cros: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabien-cros-3b66a332/ Website: https://www.pricingfortheplanet.com/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

15 Heinä 202431min

Blogcast: How Value-Based Selling & Marketing Work Together to Drive Increased Profitability

Blogcast: How Value-Based Selling & Marketing Work Together to Drive Increased Profitability

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 23, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/how-value-based-selling-marketing-work-together-to-drive-increased-profitability/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

12 Heinä 202412min

Insights into Value-Based Pricing Strategies for B2B with Tom Nagle

Insights into Value-Based Pricing Strategies for B2B with Tom Nagle

Dr. Thomas (Tom) Nagle founded the Strategic Pricing Group (now part of Monitor Deloitte) in 1987 soon after publication of the first edition of The Strategy and Tactics of Pricing. For more than three decades, he has advised companies, primarily in B-to-B markets, on how to manage more profitably the five elements of pricing strategy: Value Creation, Value Communication, Price Structure, Pricing Policy, and Competitive Price Setting. In this episode, Tom shares how value is perceived and measured by customers, emphasizing the distinction between economic value and willingness to pay. He also delves into the complexities of pricing negotiations, highlighting the importance of understanding customer perceptions and effectively communicating the impact of products or services on their business outcomes. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Understand the intricacies of value-based pricing, distinguishing between economic value and willingness to pay, and providing real-life examples illustrating these concepts effectively Delve into these two critical decisions buyers make to help you better understand and influence customer purchasing behaviors Find out practical advice on handling price negotiations, emphasizing the importance of "gives and gets" and strategies to avoid undermining your pricing integrity "Don't ever believe what the customer is telling you upfront about what their value is. They may believe it, but they don't know the impact." - Tom Nagle Topics Covered: 01:29 - His early experiences with pricing influenced by his grandmother and how he got into pricing professionally 03:16 - How it is more effective to focus on market response to price changes and gather qualitative insights from clients than just precisely measuring elasticity 08:49 - Important thoughts on why pricing didn't matter much then before its deregulation 11:28 - Explaining the concepts of value and value-based pricing with an example illustrating the point 16:56 - The need to create policies to maintain price integrity and managing negotiations to prevent undermining value capture 23:25 - Discussing the concept of value-based pricing and sharing an insightful example where a service's value was evaluated against the status quo rather than a competitor 26:16 - Tom's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "The goal is not to try to put a line between them that's a weighted average of the high prices and the low prices, and call it a demand curve. The goal is to figure out why we have all this variation and use that variation to create segments that eliminate the trade off between price and volume." - Tom Nagle "The value isn't in the product. You can study the product from now until kingdom come, and you are never going to understand the value by studying the product. You have to study how the products' benefits impact the customer's income statement." - Tom Nagle People/Resources Mentioned: Financial Analysis for Profit-Driven Pricing: https://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/financial-analysis-for-profitdriven-pricing/ Walmart: https://www.walmart.com DuPont: https://www.dupont.com Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award: http://asq.org/quality-resources/malcolm-baldrige-national-quality-award Connect with Tom Nagle: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-tom-nagle Email: thomasnaglephd@gmail.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

8 Heinä 202427min

Blogcast: ROI Calculators: Busting Myths and Building Trust in B2B Sales

Blogcast: ROI Calculators: Busting Myths and Building Trust in B2B Sales

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 16, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/roi-calculators-busting-myths-and-building-trust-in-b2b-sales/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

5 Heinä 20243min

Practical Methods for Competitive Intelligence in Pricing with Jason Covitz

Practical Methods for Competitive Intelligence in Pricing with Jason Covitz

Jason Covitz, the Vice President of Commercial Finance at Covetrus, possesses a wide range of expertise including CFO, Business Growth, Value-Based Pricing, Sales Effectiveness, and Product Management, among others. In this episode, Jason shares competitive pricing strategies, emphasizing the importance of understanding both inherent and relative value when comparing products to competitors. He shares practical methods for gathering competitive pricing intelligence and highlights the need for combining analytical and creative thinking in pricing. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Gain valuable insights into how to approach value-based pricing, understand competitor comparisons, and leverage features to maximize your product's value Discover valuable methods for gathering competitive pricing intelligence and innovative techniques to help you make informed pricing decisions Learn to "ruthlessly prioritize" tasks based on their potential value to help you effectively focus your efforts and achieve significant business results "Keep digging. Get your teams comfortable with learning. Be inquisitive, poke around, turn on the lights, and hopefully you find large piles of money." - Jason Covitz Topics Covered: 02:11 - What led Jason into pricing 03:17 - Discussing how analytics at Capital One included evaluating factors like the cost of repossessing a car and its post-repossession value 05:01 - Explaining the difference between a private equity (PE) owned company and a public company 07:32 - Advocating for a detailed feature-level competitor comparison 10:45 - Think about ROI conversation 11:45 - The challenge of determining competitor pricing for value-based pricing 16:16 - Discussing strategies for competitive pricing and understanding relative value 20:50 - Important thoughts on the use of conjoint analysis in B2B versus B2C contexts 22:40 - Talking about the blend of skills required in pricing, noting that it's not about pure numbers 23:44 - Jason's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "Competitive intelligence from pricing --- people are like, well, I'm just going to ask them what the number is. Well, the number by itself doesn't stand alone; you got to bring the whole story to the conversation in that case." - Jason Covitz People/Resources Mentioned: Capital One: https://www.capitalone.com First Data: https://www.first-datacorp.com Covetrus: https://covetrus.com/ Connect with Jason Covitz: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcovitz/ Email: jascovitz@gmail.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

1 Heinä 202425min

Blogcast: Simplifying Segmentation for Enhanced Profitability

Blogcast: Simplifying Segmentation for Enhanced Profitability

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 8, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/simplifying-segmentation-for-enhanced-profitability/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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