AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

Emanuel Martonca, founder of Soft Fight, reveals how agentic AI is solving one of the biggest challenges in IT services: coordinating pricing decisions across hundreds of people in decentralized organizations.

After his career journey from product management to sales management to discovering pricing at a Simon Kucher workshop, Emanuel shares how his bootstrapped company evolved from traditional consulting to building AI-powered pricing agents that act as an ever-present pricing manager- coaching teams, improving proposals, and recommending pricing models without sending a single byte of data outside the client's infrastructure.

In this episode, learn why AI should augment rather than replace pricing teams, why deterministic calculations still matter, and how to quantify value in IT services without universal quality standards.

Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast:

  • Discover how AI solves coordination problems in large IT services companies where hundreds of people make pricing decisions without pricing expertise.
  • Learn why AI should augment pricing teams, not replace them, and why deterministic calculations still matter more than probabilistic AI outputs.
  • Understand how to quantify value in IT services using measurable quality attributes instead of universally accepted standards.

"Pricing is leverage. It allows you to have an impact with very few actions, with little effort."

– Emanuel Martonca

Topics Covered:

01:32 -Emanuel's transformational discovery of pricing at a Belgian retail bank workshop that revealed a world he didn't know existed—launching 18 years of pricing-focused work.

02:37 - Why pricing is the ultimate leverage tool, especially in B2B tech where "it's just communication"—what you write in Excel, on websites, and in proposals.

03:28 - How the pandemic transformed Emanuel from a globe-trotting sales manager into a pricing consultant, then bootstrapped Soft Fight to solve the value extraction gap in tech companies.

04:41 - How large IT companies lose money when hundreds of non-experts across five functions (finance, marketing, sales, delivery, executives) make pricing decisions on every custom project.

06:59 - The evolution from deterministic SaaS pricing rules to AI-augmented agents installed in client infrastructure—solving pricing problems in hours instead of years without sending data externally.

08:00 - Why new deals lack technical depth and renewals lack value articulation—and how AI coordinates knowledge without restructuring organizations.

11:00 - Eight AI agents (four for understanding, four for justifying) with access to all systems but zero external communication—no security or privacy risks.

13:00 - All pricing calculations remain deterministic because AI makes too many mistakes—it's used only for reading RFPs, emails, and meeting notes to improve value communication.

14:17 - How AI acts as a coach recommending pricing models with ready-made arguments, eliminating months of change management—with email as the main interface.

16:17 - Why determining "how long will this take?" is unpredictable and varies by person and timing—and how AI solves the costliest unknown in custom projects.

18:00 - Mark's perspective on why costs matter less than value, and why companies avoid alternative pricing models despite knowing hourly billing hurts both sides.

21:00 - When AI tools cut development time, hourly pricing becomes self-defeating: "You're cutting your own revenue"—forcing the industry to finally sell value, not time.

21:56 - Starting with measurable quality attributes on invented scales that competitors can't compare—getting 80% of the way just by having the quantification discussion.

23:00 - Mark's framework for B2B value and why results translate to economic impact through customer KPIs like reduced complaints, not abstract "quality" metrics.

25:00 - Unlike automotive suppliers with nanometer specs, IT services vendors can define their own quality metrics—putting them two steps ahead of alternatives.

26:00 - The necessity of industry knowledge for value conversations (increase revenue, reduce costs, mitigate risk) and how AI enables understanding of new sectors that would've taken years.

27:30 - Final Advice: AI as Your Pricing Force Multiplier Using AI for research, analysis, and domain understanding when teams are too small or mandates unclear—plus how to connect with Emanuel on LinkedIn.

Key Takeaways:

"AI is a huge multiplier for pricing experts—not for calculating prices, I agree with you on that, it's not there yet. But for everything else around pricing, whether we want to call it product management, analysis, or research, it can help us overcome typical challenges." - Emanuel Martonca

"Pricing is a change management problem. It can be done, it'll take months, sometimes years, and they have to experiment and they have to make mistakes." - Emanuel Martonca

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The Role of Leadership in Shaping Pricing Strategies with Adrienne Gordon

The Role of Leadership in Shaping Pricing Strategies with Adrienne Gordon

With over 25 years of experience in pricing strategy, analytics, and customer relationship management, Adrienne Gordon is passionate about empowering businesses to leverage pricing as a long-term strategic advantage and a path to self-actualization. In this episode, Adrienne delves into the profound impact of CEO decisions on overall company pricing. She explores the concept of 'value killers' such as the 'Bob Factor', the 'Lester Factor,' and 'Cheryl factor' illustrating how individual actions and outdated models can undermine pricing policies. Additionally, she discusses the importance of setting clear pricing goals, understanding price distribution and variance, and leveraging pricing processes to maximize profitability. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Delve into the crucial role of leadership in effective pricing and value delivery within a company Find out common pitfalls and strategies in pricing that will help you understand how internal processes and individual actions can impact a company's pricing power and profitability Discover actionable advice for immediate impact enhancing your company's pricing approach and proactive value creation "If you look at pricing as a process, you will self-actualize as a company." - Adrienne Gordon Topics Covered: 00:51 - How she found herself in pricing 02:26 - How her role in product management helped her develop valuable skills in product segmentation and customer insights 03:55 - Differentiating these two companies she manages, Pricing Empowered and Price Space 06:36 - The role of leadership, specifically CEOs, in pricing strategy 09:09 - Explaining the concept of "value killers" using the metaphor of "Bob" 11:40 - The negative impact of allowing CEOs to negotiate prices and discussing the concept of parameters of empowerment 14:29 - Another value killer: The Lester factor 16:55 - What makes ''Cheryl factor' a value killer and the extent of profit leaks this causes 20:15 - Three key actions leaders should take to drive pricing in their companies 24:19 - Differentiating between intentional and unintentional price variance 25:14 - Adrienne's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "If the CEO doesn't believe that you can proactively price and influence markets with your pricing, then the company has no faith in it either." - Adrienne Gordon "Parameters of empowerment: to me sometimes actually retracting some permission and then testing your value proposition, pushing pricing a little bit so that the organization can see the worth doesn't fall apart when you do that. And releasing that empowerment back, I think, actually, can help companies evolve." - Adrienne Gordon "I often make recommendations, do not put on your parameters of empowerment 5, 10, and 15. Put on 4.72. Somebody's going to have to do the hard work to figure out what 4.72% discount is. And that's a good thing." - Adrienne Gordon People/Resources Mentioned: McKinsey: https://www.mckinsey.com Connect with Adrienne Gordon: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrienne-gordon-0a93129/ Website: https://www.pricespace.com/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: Reduce the Risk of Raising Prices

Blogcast: Reduce the Risk of Raising Prices

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on May 2, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/reduce-the-risk-of-raising-prices/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Unlocking Pricing Potential Using the Pricing Spineometer with Tim Smith

Unlocking Pricing Potential Using the Pricing Spineometer with Tim Smith

Tim Smith helps executives address critical questions in pricing, marketing, sales, and corporate strategy in the face of high uncertainty by using proven best practices informed by solid academic research. In this episode, Tim delves into the Pricing Spineometer, a comprehensive tool designed to assess a company's pricing capabilities. By examining financial performance and organizational structure, one can provide valuable insights into the gap between a company's current pricing practices and optimal strategies. He also touches on the crucial role pricing plays in business success and the importance of CEO involvement in driving pricing excellence. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Discover this pricing tool called Pricing Spineometer for assessing a company's pricing capabilities and learn how it works, its significance, and how it can benefit businesses Gain insights into the world of pricing strategies discover surprising findings about pricing practices in various industries and how they impact business performance Explore the critical role of CEOs in driving pricing excellence within organizations and understand why pricing decisions often require the direct involvement and prioritization of top leadership, and how this impacts business outcomes "Take the time to apply the expertise necessary to your pricing questions. Think about it, and then listen to that expertise." - Tim Smith Topics Covered: 01:36 - Sharing an enriching experience teaching and consulting 02:45 - How he found himself in pricing 04:08 - What made him create Pricing Spineometer, what is it all about, clarity on it measuring a gap versus a scorecard 07:31 - The process of using the Pricing Spineometer 11:40 - How the initial financial analysis sets the foundation for understanding a company's pricing needs and capabilities 14:29 - Understanding that creating a Pricing Spineometer for a company involves significant work and expertise 16:26 - AI's impact on pricing and the companies' various reactions on their pricing capabilities assessment with pricing spineometer 19:16 - Valued for the expertise and insight not on time spent 20:08 - Surprises coming up for different companies pricing sophistication 22:19 - Does the CEO takes care of the development of pricing expertise and how does a CRO differ from a VP of Pricing 24:26 - Tim's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "If you changed the way you thought about pricing, there'd be a huge bottom line impact to your company." - Tim Smith "You're charging for the intellect that goes into the work, not the actual amount of time it takes to do the work." - Tim Smith "There are ways to get around tools, there are ways to use the tools, but you've got to understand what the goal is." - Tim Smith People/Resources Mentioned: World Class Pricing: The Journey by Paul Hunt: http://www.pricingsolutions.com/world-class-pricing-the-journey/ TI: https://www.ti.com Walmart:https://www.walmart.com Coca Cola: https://www.coca-cola.com/us/en Pepsi: https://www.pepsi.com/ Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/ Kraft Heinz: https://www.kraftheinzcompany.com/ Connect with Tim Smith: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drwiglaf/ Website: https://wiglafpricing.com/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

17 Kesä 202428min

Blogcast: The Value of a Feature: How to Create Value Tables

Blogcast: The Value of a Feature: How to Create Value Tables

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on April 25, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/the-value-of-a-feature-how-to-create-value-tables/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Navigating Price Changes: Overcoming Fear and Implementing Strategy with Patrick Meegan

Navigating Price Changes: Overcoming Fear and Implementing Strategy with Patrick Meegan

Patrick Meegan is a Managing Director at Investor Group Services. Experienced in technology, industrials, consumer products, retail and e-commerce, subscription programs, pricing, and product strategy. In this episode, he delves into the complexities of pricing strategies, emphasizing the importance of aligning prices with the perceived value and understanding market segments. She also explores the nuances between B2C and B2B pricing, highlighting the transparency in B2C and the significance of marketing and packaging in consumer products. Additionally, she provides insights on implementing price changes effectively in different organizational sizes and navigating the challenges of setting prices through distribution channels. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Understand buyer drivers in order to make strategic decisions in pricing and packaging Learn practical advice on implementing price changes, particularly the challenges and strategies for ensuring successful pricing execution Gain valuable insights into the differences between B2C and B2B pricing, including unique challenges in B2C and the role of marketing in consumer products "Spend time pressure testing the ideas." - Patrick Meegan Topics Covered: 01:51 - The best way to teaching case studies and the how to go about each case 02:49 - How he ended up in pricing despite lack of pricing background 03:59 - Value-based pricing and understanding buyer behavior 05:03 - The process of generating pricing insights 06:39 - Application of a framework to generate pricing insights 08:57 - Challenges and strategies for executing pricing changes, particularly in larger organizations 11:17 - Overcoming fear of raising prices. 13:08 - Strategies for reducing fear and uncertainty when implementing price increases 15:42 - The appropriate role of salespeople in pricing decisions 17:32 - The importance of setting and managing price floors and discounting policies for salespeople 21:34 - Maintaining pricing integrity and avoiding discounts 22:46 - The differences between B2C and B2B pricing strategies and how crucial is setting the end user price first when selling through distribution or channels 26:46 - Pat's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "If we can't understand from the buyer's side what's driving their purchase, then it's hard for us to understand how to sell to them, how to negotiate, where to hang the value, how to package and how to structure the pricing model." - Patrick Meegan "I cringe so much when I see people going out with a price of whatever it is with a discount right along with it because whatever value established you just eroded by saying it wasn't worth that." - Patrick Meegan "Your portfolio also plays an important role in how you can influence pricing." - Patrick Meegan People/Resources Mentioned: Kimberly Clark: https://www.kimberly-clark.com/en-us Kleenex: https://www.kleenex.com/en-us/ Huggies: https://www.huggies.com/en-us/ Connect with Patrick Meegan: Website: maplestreet.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmeegan/ Email: patrick.meegan@igsinsights.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

10 Kesä 202429min

Blogcast: B2B Market Research Is Overrated

Blogcast: B2B Market Research Is Overrated

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on April 18, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/b2b-market-research-is-overrated/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com. Now, go make an impact. Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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AI vs. SaaS: Transforming Software Pricing and Value Delivery with Steven Forth

AI vs. SaaS: Transforming Software Pricing and Value Delivery with Steven Forth

Steven Forth is Ibbaka's Co-Founder, CEO, and Partner. Ibbaka is a strategic pricing advisory firm. He was CEO of LeveragePoint Innovations Inc., a SaaS business. In this episode, Steven explains how AI can significantly enhance software customization and pricing, enabling more precise value delivery for each customer. He emphasizes that while AI introduces new capabilities, it does not fundamentally change the core principles of pricing. Why you have to check out today's podcast: Dive deep into the comparison between AI and the transformative impact of SaaS, providing valuable insights into the future of software pricing and delivery Understand value models and how AI can optimize pricing strategies Explore how AI can enable highly customized software configurations and pricing, making it easier to deliver and capture value tailored to individual customers "Before they invest a lot of time and effort in developing or pricing their own AI, find out what their customers are already doing and how they're thinking about the problems." - Steven Forth Topics Covered: 00:47 - Skepticism as well as optimism regarding AI and addressing the hype surrounding AI 04:15 - Exploring how AI might impact software pricing compared to the changes brought about by cloud-based SaaS. 07:05 - The way AI can optimize software configurations and pricing based on individual value drivers for each customer 10:44 - Discussing how SaaS fundamentally changed software pricing compared to AI 14:11 - How AI, while it enhances capabilities and user experiences, does not fundamentally change the underlying principles of pricing 16:31 - What is a value model? 18:15 - Pricing being tied more closely to value with the rise of AI 23:27 - Steven's best pricing advice Key Takeaways: "The underlying ways that we think about pricing have not changed because of generative AI and will not change, but some of them we'll be able to execute on much, much more effectively." - Steven Forth "I think of pricing not as being something that is data-driven, but something that is model-driven." - Steven Forth "AI is changing how we build, deliver, and experience the functionality that software and data can bring. But as it does that, it also opens new ways for us to think about the pricing of the applications and the data." - Steven Forth People/Resources Mentioned: Pros: https://pros.com Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ph/Don Norman: https://www.nngroup.com/people/don-norman/ Jacob Nielsen: https://www.nngroup.com/people/don-norman/ Totogi: https://www.totogi.com McKinsey: https://www.mckinsey.com Tom Nagle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-tom-nagle-2bb2288/ Zilliant: https://zilliant.com Pricefx: https://www.pricefx.com Vendavo: https://www.vendavo.com Tomasz Tunguz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomasztunguz/ Connect with Steven Forth: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenforth/ Email: steven@ibbaka.com Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: Value for Buyer Personas

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