DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford
Patterns Podcast11 Marras 2025

DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. If you’ve ever struggled to balance perfection with business reality, this episode is for you. In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, Chris Strahl talks with Noelle Lansford, founder of Shep, about why chasing the “perfect system” often breaks more than it fixes. Drawing on her experience across startups and Fortune 5 companies, Noelle argues that design systems succeed when they serve people and the business—not when they chase architectural p...

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54. Nick Hahn founder of Creative Liberation: Design systems are going to reduce the need for early career designers by 75%

54. Nick Hahn founder of Creative Liberation: Design systems are going to reduce the need for early career designers by 75%

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Nick and Chris discuss how 75% of production design jobs are going to go away, and what will replace this space. Ultimately, how do designers become proactive ...

22 Marras 202232min

53. Dana Lawson from Netlify: Bridging the gap between engineers and designers

53. Dana Lawson from Netlify: Bridging the gap between engineers and designers

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Dana Lawson and Chris discuss the future of design systems as it relates to the relationship between engineering leaders and design counterparts. View the tra...

15 Marras 202234min

52. Kathryn Gonzalez from DoorDash: Localize your design system

52. Kathryn Gonzalez from DoorDash: Localize your design system

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Kathryn Gonzalez and Chris discuss the evolution of design systems from centralized to localized and how DoorDash’s design system team is evolving as their sys...

27 Loka 202223min

51. Evan Lovely, Chris Bloom, Jake Love, and Brittany Smart from Knapsack: Hot Takes on the State of Design Systems

51. Evan Lovely, Chris Bloom, Jake Love, and Brittany Smart from Knapsack: Hot Takes on the State of Design Systems

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Evan Lovely (Head of Product & Engineering), Chris Bloom (Principal Front-End Engineer), Jake Love (Senior Solutions Engineer), and Brittany Smart (Solutions E...

21 Syys 202233min

50. Stephen Gates: What makes a good design leader?

50. Stephen Gates: What makes a good design leader?

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Stephen Gates and Chris discuss the realities of design system leadership, unconventional sources of inspiration, and the impact of design on society. Guest: ...

6 Syys 202237min

49. Vojtech Miksu from Uber: Next-gen tooling for developers

49. Vojtech Miksu from Uber: Next-gen tooling for developers

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Sponsored by Knapsack, the design system platform that brings teams together. Learn more at knapsack.cloud. Vojtech Miksu (Software Engineer at Uber) and Evan...

1 Elo 202236min

48. Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi from Capital One: Navigating design system convergence, adoption, and contribution simultaneously

48. Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi from Capital One: Navigating design system convergence, adoption, and contribution simultaneously

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi join Chris to discuss transitioning multiple design systems into one, shifting system consumers’ mindset from working with a l...

6 Kesä 202241min

47. Nick Dorman and Ellis Capon from News UK: Bridging old and new media with News UK’s design system, NewsKit

47. Nick Dorman and Ellis Capon from News UK: Bridging old and new media with News UK’s design system, NewsKit

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Nick, Ellis, and Chris discuss how News UK’s design system, NewsKit, united multiple disparate brands in a central source of truth, and how infrastructure mana...

16 Touko 202235min