2nd Swing Thoughts30 Apr 2025

Legendary Club Designer Roger Cleveland | 2nd Swing Thoughts E. 87

Legendary Club Designer Roger Cleveland is known across the world of golf, specifically for his impact on modern wedge design. In this 2nd Swing Thoughts episode, Roger Cleveland joins Drew to discuss the evolution of wedge design, his journey as a club designer, the all-new Cleveland RTZ wedges and more. Drew and Sean also reflect on this past weekend's Zurich Classic and Chevron Championship, plus take a look at Ben Griffin and Andrew Novak's WITBs.

00:00 Introduction 2:00 The Turn 05:13 Ben Griffin & Andrew Novak WITB 08:40 Chevron Championship Reaction 17:20 Roger Cleveland 19:02 Getting Into Club Design 22:55 What Makes a Good Wedge 25:05 Wedge Bounce & Grind 32:29 Cleveland RTZ Wedges 42:25 Evolution of Wedge Design

Roger Cleveland is the founder of Cleveland Golf, helping create the iconic Cleveland Golf 588 wedge, which remains one of the most influential wedge designs in golf club history. Cleveland also spent more than 20 years at Callaway, helping them move into the forged wedge arena, and the Callaway Opus wedges were his final club he designed for Callaway before returning to Cleveland Golf as a wedge consultant.

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