Episode 1 - What the hell are they up to?

Episode 1 - What the hell are they up to?

What is this podcast about?

In the landscape of modern psychotherapy, few figures have inspired as much admiration, anxiety, and controversy as Habib Davanloo, the founder of Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy (ISTDP). His case reports read like dispatches from a revolutionary frontier—complete with heroic struggles, breakthroughs, and an almost mystical confidence in his own method. But beneath that certitude lies a question that has rarely been asked aloud within the ISTDP community: what happens when we stop taking Davanloo entirely at his own word?

Deconstructing Davanloo is a podcast devoted to that question. It begins from a simple but radical premise: that Davanloo’s brilliance and his blind spots are inseparable. His writing is electrifying, but it is also curiously devoid of self-reflection. His voice is authoritative, absolute—handing down insights as if from on high, untroubled about the possibility of countertransference, bias, or the epistemological limits of the human mind. This tone, while intoxicating, has helped to cultivate a culture around ISTDP that can at times prize certainty over inquiry, devotion over dialogue. Too often, the literature is understood not as an evolving theory but as scripture.

This podcast proposes an alternative. Rather than accepting Davanloo’s formulations as finished truths, we take them as living hypotheses—provocative, incomplete, and worthy of interrogation. We read his case reports not as unassailable demonstrations, but as texts: stories that reflect not only the patient’s psyche but Davanloo’s own mind, his historical moment, and the analytic assumptions of his time. In doing so, we invite listeners to join us in a collective act of re-thinking—one that blends close reading, theoretical analysis, and clinical reflection. Across episodes, the hosts and their guests will explore Davanloo’s major papers alongside the work of later ISTDP teachers and neighboring traditions in psychoanalysis, attachment theory, and affective neuroscience. Each conversation aims to illuminate what still shines in Davanloo’s vision and what might need revision or reintegration.

Deconstructing Davanloo is not a project of debunking or deification. It is an act of dialogue. The hosts share the conviction that the ISTDP community’s vitality depends on its willingness to think critically about its origins. Davanloo published only nineteen cases; his method, powerful as it is, remains an unfinished experiment. If we treat his words as final, we risk stagnation—repeating his moves rather than extending his thought. But if we bring to his work the same curiosity and rigor that he once brought to the analytic canon, we may discover new paths forward.In the end, the podcast is an invitation—to therapists, trainees, and scholars alike—to join in a shared project of intellectual and ethical reappraisal.

To admire Davanloo’s genius while also asking what his confidence conceals. To appreciate his method’s unique power while inquiring seriously into its limits. And, most of all, to model a form of discourse that values reflection over reverence. Because only by questioning our founding figures can a living tradition continue to evolve.

Mentions: The Journal of Contemporary ISTDP

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Episoder(23)

Episode 23: The Case of the Machine Gun Woman, part 1

Episode 23: The Case of the Machine Gun Woman, part 1

In this episode Deb and Maury start reading the 2nd case in Davanloo's Unlocking the Unconscious (1990) - the case of the machine gun woman. They read the opening paragraphs and wax philosophical abou...

5 Jul 59min

Episode 21 with special guest Peter Lilliengren

Episode 21 with special guest Peter Lilliengren

Note: We accidentally skipped a number when numbering the eps, so ep 22 was published before ep 21.In this episode we welcome clinician, teacher, and researcher Peter Lilliengren to share his perspect...

28 Jun 55min

Episode 22 with special guest Jon Frederickson

Episode 22 with special guest Jon Frederickson

In this episode, Deb and Maury welcome special guest, Jon Frederickson, MSW, of the New Washington School of Psychiatry. A beloved teacher of ISTDP, Jon shares his insights about training with Davanlo...

18 Jun 59min

Episode 20 - The Case of the German Architect, part 11

Episode 20 - The Case of the German Architect, part 11

The end of the German architect case stirs a number of important questions and mixed emotions. What are the goals of istdp at this stage in Davanloo’s development? What exactly is istdp? And how do we...

8 Jun 1h 1min

Episode 19 - The case of the German Architect, part 10

Episode 19 - The case of the German Architect, part 10

In this episode, Maury and Deb return to the end of the German architect case, and begin their reflections on all that has come before. They discuss the anxieties that come at the end of an initial se...

4 Jun 46min

Episode 18 - The Case of the German Architect, part 9

Episode 18 - The Case of the German Architect, part 9

In this episode Deb and Maury continue with an analysis of the German Architect case. They consider the ways that Davanloo's approach can be seen as an attempt to convince the patient to do the work. ...

14 Mai 37min

Episode 17 - The Case of the German Architect, part 8

Episode 17 - The Case of the German Architect, part 8

On this episode, Deb and Maury continue to wrestle with the meaning of the German Architect’s slip of the intellect, react to the post breakthrough exploration, and become especially interested in the...

25 Apr 45min

Episode 16 - The Case of the German Architect, part 7

Episode 16 - The Case of the German Architect, part 7

In this episode, Maury and deb explore part 2 of the German architect case, and continue to explore Davanloo’s interpretation of events, and offer new, alternate conceptualizations of their own. They ...

9 Apr 1h 8min

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