#94: Will Elon Quit DC? Trump’s Chaos & AI’s China Threat (with Joanna Coles)
More or Less11 Apr 2025

#94: Will Elon Quit DC? Trump’s Chaos & AI’s China Threat (with Joanna Coles)

This week on More or Less, Jessica hosts with Joanna Coles, Chief Content Officer at The Daily Beast, while Sam, Dave, and Brit are off for “spring break”!


They explore:

• Elon’s DC stint

• Trump’s cabinet leaks: Leaks fuel Rubio-Elon tension

• China’s AI edge: Cheap tech shakes Valley’s lead


Plus, Joanna ponders plastic surgery risks in space—will implants hold up?


Featuring:

Joanna Coles: https://x.com/JoannaColes

The Daily Beast: https://www.thedailybeast.com


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01:13 The only one standing felt abandoned

03:05 Guest intro

04:36 What's it like inside the newsroom frontlines

07:03 Betrayal, greed, power, ambition, love...

12:17 What character is Elon Musk playing

20:25 The Donald, the Valley, and the Trade War

28:29 What the insider insiders are talking about

31:20 Space, plastic surgeons, celebrities

37:06 Another pop culture moment: Meghan Sussex

40:52 Royalty and the tabloid

46:05 Gloria Steinem, women's rights, reproductive health

48:23 Moments that break out

51:46 Outro

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