EP: 463 There Are Two Powers in Heaven with Dr. Joel Muddamalle And Doug Van Dorn *members only trailer

In some corners of the church, what Joel Muddamalle and Doug Van Dorn argue in this episode gets called heresy. Their claim is simple and enormous. The Angel of the Lord who stands before Joshua, speaks from the burning bush, and accepts worship without correcting it is the preincarnate Christ. The rabbis saw the tension too. They called it the Two Powers in Heaven, and they could not explain how two Yahwehs show up in the same verse. Doug wrote the book on this figure. Joel is the theologian in the room. Together, they build a case that Jesus is the general of the armies of God long before Bethlehem.The evidence stacks fast. A commander who tells Joshua to remove his sandals on holy ground. A Word, a Name, a Glory, and a Wisdom that all keep behaving like a person. Play devil's advocate for a moment, and the only alternative to the Son of God is a lying entity stealing worship for itself. Recorded in Texas, on set for the brand new Grey Havens Report in honor of Michael Heiser, this fan-favorite lineup goes further than the show has ever gone on this question.The full conversation lives behind the members' wall, where the deepest episodes are found. Become a member and hear it all at blurrycreatures.com/members. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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EP: 462 Werewolves, a White Pony, and a 100 Year Promise with Marcus Young

Marcus Young grows up in a family that hunts werewolves. This is not folklore, and it is not a campfire story. His great-uncle Harold empties both barrels of buckshot into a creature swaying on a log,...

8 Sep 2h 28min

EP: 461 The Cellar Cult: Bloodshed, Black Rituals, and Cursed Soil *members only trailer

Where do you go when the church cannot help you? Tisha lived that question. She and her husband moved into their first home, a little 1901 house on Spokane's South Hill, just before their baby was bor...

4 Sep 19min

EP: 460 What REALLY Happened On The Mountaintop with Robby Gallaty

The Transfiguration might be the strangest scene in the Gospels. Jesus climbs a mountain, his face lights up, and two men who have been dead for centuries, Moses and Elijah, are suddenly standing ther...

1 Sep 2h 5min

EP: 459 The Rebellion Before The World Began with Dan McCarthy

Before the world was made, there was a war. Dan McCarthy comes into the basement to trace it back to its source, the moment pride welled up in the highest angel, and he reached for the throne of God. ...

28 Aug 1h 39min

EP: 458 Singularity, Superhumans, and the Second Coming with Doug Hamp *members only trailer

Singularity. Superhumans. And the second coming of Jesus. Doug Hamp returns to close out our trilogy on Corrupting the Image, and he goes straight for the end. He argues that the transhuman dream of e...

27 Aug 21min

EP: 457 The Lucifer Conspiracy with Doug Hamp

You have heard the name Lucifer your whole life. Doug Hamp says it was never there. The Hebrew University-trained scholar and author of the Corrupting the Image trilogy returns to the basement to show...

25 Aug 2h 1min

EP: 456 The Secret Twin: MK Ultra, Monarch Programming and The Hitler Project with Dan Duval and Esther *members only trailer

Two years ago, The Hitler Project cracked a door open. Dr. Laura Sanger and an SRA survivor named ELLE told us about engineered breeding, hybrids, and a DNA war being fought in the dark. Esther is wha...

20 Aug 21min