Seth Ginns & Anthony Pecore: Why Liquid Assets Win The Tokenization Super Cycle (Full Breakdown)

Seth Ginns & Anthony Pecore: Why Liquid Assets Win The Tokenization Super Cycle (Full Breakdown)

Seth Ginns says the market has the tokenization trade backwards: pre-IPO equities are the exciting story, but assets that already trade with deep liquidity, like equities and treasuries, benefit most from 24/7 markets. He and Anthony Pecore of the Franklin Crypto team also talk through the "odd looks" they got launching Benji, why tokenized money market funds are now table stakes, how equities could be split into separate profit pools, and why they think assets will one day live in wallets instead of accounts.

Anthony Pecore is SVP and Director of Digital Asset Management at Franklin Templeton, where he has helped lead its on-chain fund efforts, including the tokenized money market fund Benji, live since 2021. Seth Ginns is CIO at Franklin Crypto and was an equities investor for 18 years before launching a liquid crypto fund in 2020.

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00:00 Intro

02:06 Institutions Want Real Businesses Not Meme Coins

04:13 Benji Tokenized Money Market Fund Since 2021

06:13 Tokenization Path To Nowhere Is Dead

08:14 Tokenization Starts With Assets Not Apps

10:33 Value Creation Vs Value Capture Debate

13:21 Bet On H100s Short Blackwells Via Tokens

15:27 Autonomous Management Of Capital Explained

17:28 Franklin's 7 Year Asset Management Vision

18:52 AI And Digital Assets Are Complementary Technologies

19:13 The Financial Singularity Has Arrived


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