A Conversation with Abhishek Agrawal from Material Security

A Conversation with Abhishek Agrawal from Material Security

In this conversation, I speak with Abhishek Agrawal, co-founder and CEO of Material Security.

We talk about:

- Material's Security innovative approach to email security by not just preventing unauthorized access but also containing damage from potential breaches.

-Abhishek's background in data infrastructure at Dropbox and how product mangers can become successful CEOs due to their cross-functional expertise.

- The need for customized security measures for different organizations, the role of AI in detecting email threats, the importance of single-tenant environments for sensitive customers and the potential risk of default settings in productivity suites like Google Workspace.

Among other topics.

Abhishek's Background and Material Security (00:00:00)
Email Security and Productivity Suite (00:01:01)
Geographical Connection and Coffee Meetup (00:02:06)
Product Managers as CEOs and Co-founders (00:02:59)
Empowering Product Managers (00:05:01)
Product Management and Marketing Importance (00:08:04)
Email as a Content Repository (00:09:39)
Securing Email Content (00:11:03)
Data Protection for Email (00:12:10)
Redacting and Canaries (00:12:57)
Email Security vs. Data Security (00:14:53)
Abuse Cases and Control Layers (00:17:32)
Mailbox Compromise and Lateral Movement (00:17:39)
Threat Scenario Analysis (00:20:15)
Language Models for Detection (00:22:19)
Optimism in AI Tools for Defense (00:24:34)
Customized Detection Categories (00:25:52)
Security Controls Trend (00:26:20)
Security Concerns for Law Firms (00:27:07)
Email Copy Distribution (00:27:24)
API-Based Integration (00:29:08)
Monitoring LM Functionality (00:30:42)
Threat Intelligence and Detection (00:32:54)
Product Design Philosophy (00:35:56)
Data Protection (00:38:01)
Flexibility in Deployment (00:39:26)
Main Products (00:40:33)
Posture Management (00:44:01)
Broadening Product Coverage (00:48:49)
Google Workspace Threat Detection (00:50:05)
Challenges with CSP (00:51:13)
Contextual Intelligence (00:52:02)
Balancing Depth and Breadth (00:53:15)
Learning about Material (00:53:40)

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A Conversation With Sarit Tager from Prisma Cloud

A Conversation With Sarit Tager from Prisma Cloud

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17 Jul 22min

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2 Jul 41min

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26 Jun 2h

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26 Jun 55min

UL NO. 485: STANDARD EDITION: Netflix RCE, My Current AI Stack, All-in on Claude Code, and more...

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19 Jun 36min

UL NO. 484: STANDARD EDITION: OpenAI's Malicious AI Report, Disappointed with WWDC, AI's First Actual Science Breakthrough, and more...

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