Dr. Melanie Joy on Going Beyond Carnism: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows

Dr. Melanie Joy on Going Beyond Carnism: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows

Why do we love dogs, but eat cows? Cooking up your golden retriever would be an unthinkable abomination. But barbecued beef? That's about as normal as it gets. It's just the way things are. But why? The logic and social mechanisms behind why we eat some animals and not others is a behavioral inconsistency unexamined to the point of absurdity — both psychologically complex and strange — very strange indeed. Many guests on this podcast have elaborated on why we shouldn't eat meat. This week I sit down with Melanie Joy, Ph.D, Ed.M to explain why we do eat meat. An idea she coined carnism, Dr. Joy's work centers around the psychology of eating meat, what is known as the “meat paradox” – our irrational, inconsistent and species specific attitudes toward various animals – why we express affection towards certain animals while eating others – and the cognitive dissonance this entails. A Harvard-educated social psychologist, Dr. Joy is a celebrated speaker, organizational consultant, author of the award-winning book, Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows*, and eighth recipient of the Institute of Jainology's Ahimsa Award, which was previously awarded to Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. Her work has been featured by numerous national and international media outlets, including the BBC, NPR, and the New York Times. And she is the founder of the non-profit Beyond Carnism, which challenges dominant ideologies around food choice and systems and promotes a more mindful approach to our consumer choices. I came across Dr. Joy’s work via her popular TEDx Talk, Toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices — a very intelligent and cogent exploration of our normative cultural behaviors and attitudes around the food we eat and why — and have wanted to get her on the podcast ever since. I only had a tight hour with Dr. Joy, so this is a very focused discourse on speciesism and the psychological defense mechanisms we employ to rationalize our food choices. It's a conversation about the psychology of social change, and it's about how to employ psychologically optimal strategies in the advocacy of positive cultural change. Specific topics explored include: * the concept of carnism * psychological defense mechanisms to eating animals * speciesism * carnistic justifications and “humane meat” * the rise of meat & dairy alternatives * the psychology of social change * the impact of the locavore movement * masculinity of meat & gender stereotypes * how to effectively advocate for veganism Whip smart, Dr. Joy peels back the fallacious facade of logic and exposes the denial that surrounds these cultural mores with keen intellect and grace. Irrespective of your dietary proclivities, my hope is that this provocative conversation will challenge assumptions and inspire you to make more informed consumer choices that more adeptly align with your core values as an empathetic and compassionate citizen. It was a pleasure to talk with Dr. Joy and I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich

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Power, Property, & Prestige: Kurt Sutter & Katey Sagal Share The Unfiltered Truth About Marriage, Recovery, Success Addiction & The Path Back To Purpose

Power, Property, & Prestige: Kurt Sutter & Katey Sagal Share The Unfiltered Truth About Marriage, Recovery, Success Addiction & The Path Back To Purpose

Kurt Sutter and Katey Sagal are the Hollywood power couple behind “Sons of Anarchy,” numerous iconic performances, and hosts of the podcast “PIE.”   This conversation strips bare the intoxicating trap of fame, the parallel paths that led them both to sobriety at 31, and the brutal honesty required to save their relationship when “money, property, and prestige” threatened everything.   Kurt’s evolution from Hollywood’s combative bad boy to spiritual seeker alongside Katey’s unflinching wisdom on intimacy creates a masterclass in reinvention.    They’re authentic. They’re vulnerable. Their journey might change how you think about success. Enjoy!   Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up  Today’s Sponsors: Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products  👉livemomentous.com/richroll  Roka: Unlock 20% OFF your order with code RICHROLL 👉ROKA.com/RICHROLL Pique: Get up to 20% OFF plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with your first purchase 👉piquelife.com/richroll OneSkin: Get started today with 15% off using code RICHROLL at oneskin.co  LMNT: Get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase 👉 drinkLMNT.com/richroll     Bragg: Get 20% OFF your first order with code RICHROLL👉 Bragg.com                                    IQBAR: Get 20% OFF all IQBAR products plus FREE shipping. Just text RICHROLL to sixty-four thousand. Message and data rates may apply.             Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

10 Apr 2h 3min

Let Them Theory: Mel Robbins On Reclaiming Your Power, Finding Freedom In Letting Go & The Simple Tool That's Transforming Millions of Lives

Let Them Theory: Mel Robbins On Reclaiming Your Power, Finding Freedom In Letting Go & The Simple Tool That's Transforming Millions of Lives

Mel Robbins is a celebrated podcast host, #1 New York Times bestselling author, and one of the most sought-after experts in mindset and behavior change.   This conversation explores the paradox at the heart of human suffering—that we exhaust ourselves trying to control the uncontrollable. Mel’s counterintuitive “Let Them Theory” offers a deceptively simple yet profound antidote to this universal struggle, challenging us to disabuse ourselves of the illusion of control and redirect our energy toward what truly matters.   She deftly unpacks how relinquishing the compulsion to manage others ultimately grants us the equanimity we’ve all been seeking.   Mel is a beacon—and this conversation is a path to personal liberation. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Bon Charge: Get 15% OFF all my favorite wellness products w/ code RICHROLL 👉 boncharge.com                                                                                                                           Squarespace: Use the code RichRoll to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain 👉Squarespace.com/RichRoll                                                                                                       Airbnb: Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at 👉 airbnb.com/host  AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉www.drinkAG1.com/richroll            Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉gobrewing.com           Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

7 Apr 1h 50min

You Are Already Enough: Maria Shriver On Finding Your Voice, Healing After Heartbreak, Brain Health Advocacy, & The Power Of Self-Acceptance

You Are Already Enough: Maria Shriver On Finding Your Voice, Healing After Heartbreak, Brain Health Advocacy, & The Power Of Self-Acceptance

Maria Shriver is a renowned journalist, Kennedy family scion, and award-winning advocate for women's brain health. This conversation explores the parasocial relationship between public figure and audience as Maria shares her authentic journey of self-discovery through poetry. We discuss her upbringing in America's political "royalty," the transactional nature of achievement-based love, finding wholeness after heartbreak, and her groundbreaking work in Alzheimer's research. She shares profound insights on disentangling our true selves from predetermined narratives and the magnanimous act of forgiveness. Maria’s courage is undeniable. This conversation might just change how you see yourself. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products 👉livemomentous.com/richroll Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉gobrewing.com BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month 👉BetterHelp.com/richroll. Prolon/L-Nutra: Get 15% OFF plus a FREE bonus gift 👉prolonlife.com/richroll Bon Charge: Get 15% OFF all my favorite wellness products w/ code RICHROLL 👉boncharge.com Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

31 Mar 1h 49min

ROLL ON 2025 So Far: Navigating Uncertainty, Getting Unstuck, Elmo, Psychedelics, ‘Adolescence’ & More

ROLL ON 2025 So Far: Navigating Uncertainty, Getting Unstuck, Elmo, Psychedelics, ‘Adolescence’ & More

Roll On is back baby! Today Rich and Adam Skolnick catch up on the decade that is 2025. On tap is SXSW, Elmo, psychedelics, the LA fires, and practical strategies for navigating the turbulence of our current moment. They also go deep on the Netflix hit “Adolescence” and its many important themes, including the impact of social media on teenagers and the crisis of young men. Along the way, they answer listener questions and more. Rejoice! Show notes + MORE  Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: Seed: Use code RICHROLL25 for 25% OFF your first order 👉seed.com/RichRoll Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉gobrewing.com Pique: Get up to 20% OFF plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with your first purchase 👉piquelife.com/richroll Roka: Unlock 20% OFF your order with code RICHROLL 👉ROKA.com/RICHROLL Bragg: Use code RICHROLL for 20% off your first order 👉Bragg.com Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

27 Mar 1h 58min

The Explorer's Gene: Alex Hutchinson On Humanity’s Drive To Seek The Unknown, The Science Of Uncertainty, & Why Effort Creates Meaning

The Explorer's Gene: Alex Hutchinson On Humanity’s Drive To Seek The Unknown, The Science Of Uncertainty, & Why Effort Creates Meaning

Alex Hutchinson is a National Magazine Award-winning journalist, Cambridge-trained physicist, and bestselling author of “Endure” and “The Explorer’s Gene.” This conversation explores Alex’s transcendent perspective on our primordial drive to seek the unknown. We unpack his fascinating evolution from elite runner and NSA researcher to becoming the voice on endurance science, and now, the cartographer of humanity’s exploratory impulse. We dive into the genetic and neurological drivers of uncertainty-seeking, the importance of embracing difficulty, the role of play, and finding meaning through effort in adventure and everyday life. Note: In celebration of Alex’s appearance on the podcast, we’re giving away five signed copies of his transformative book. Subscribe to the newsletter at richroll.com/subscribe for a chance to win. Alex’s work doesn’t merely inform—it transforms. This dialogue is an expedition worth taking. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE  Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉BetterHelp.com/richroll   Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

24 Mar 2h 20min

Introducing Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting: "Should I Talk with My Teens About My Own Mental Health Challenges?"

Introducing Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting: "Should I Talk with My Teens About My Own Mental Health Challenges?"

Today I’m sharing an episode of Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting hosted by Dr. Lisa Damour and Reena. In this episode, Dr. Lisa Damour and Reena explore the topic of "Should I Talk with My Teens About My Own Mental Health Challenges?" Subscribe to Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

20 Mar 59min

Good Stress: Jeff Krasno On The Health Benefits of Deliberate Discomfort, How To Have Hard Conversations & Applying Eastern Wisdom To Western Medicine

Good Stress: Jeff Krasno On The Health Benefits of Deliberate Discomfort, How To Have Hard Conversations & Applying Eastern Wisdom To Western Medicine

Jeff Krasno is a wellness entrepreneur, author of “Good Stress,” and co-founder of the iconic global yoga festival Wanderlust.   This conversation explores Jeff’s journey from “wealth and hellness” to authentic well-being. His thesis on hormetic stress offers an antidote to our convenience-obsessed world. We discuss the political horseshoeing of wellness, the metaphysical Tao of Health, and how embracing discomfort forges both physiological and psychological resilience.   Note: In celebration of Jeff’s appearance on the podcast, we’re giving away four signed copies of his transformative book. Subscribe to the newsletter at richroll.com/subscribe for a chance to win.   Jeff's journey offers valuable insights on stress and adaptation. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉gobrewing.com Roka: Unlock 20% OFF your order with code RICHROLL 👉ROKA.com/RICHROLL Prolon: Get 15% OFF plus a FREE bonus gift 👉 prolonlife.com/richroll Birch: Get 20% OFF sitewide 👉BirchLiving.com/richroll Bragg: Use code RICHROLL for 20% off your first order 👉Bragg.com  Ollie: Use code RICHROLL to get 60% off your Welcome Kit👉Ollie.com/RICHROLL   Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors

17 Mar 2h 19min

The Man Who (Literally) Owns Nothing: Radical Minimalist Robin Greenfield On Barefoot Walking 1,600 Miles, Living In Harmony With Earth, & Finding Freedom Through Simplicity

The Man Who (Literally) Owns Nothing: Radical Minimalist Robin Greenfield On Barefoot Walking 1,600 Miles, Living In Harmony With Earth, & Finding Freedom Through Simplicity

Robin Greenfield is a transcendental environmental activist who has taken the concept of simplicity to its existential extreme. This conversation explores how Robin's radical approach to consumption challenges our assumptions about possession, examining his 1,600-mile journey down the Pacific coast, his current experiment living in Griffith Park with absolutely nothing, the nature of contentment, our interdependence with Earth, and the liberation found in surrendering attachment. At one point, he fashions a toothbrush from a California bay branch right before our eyes. Robin is minimalism personified. This conversation will recalibrate your material perspective. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: 1.  On: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll 2.  Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products  👉livemomentous.com/richroll 3.  BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉BetterHelp.com/richroll. 4.  LMNT: Get a FREE LMNT sample pack for just $5 shipping 👉 drinkLMNT.com/RICHROLL. 5. IQBAR: Get 20% OFF all IQBAR products plus FREE shipping. Just text RICHROLL to sixty-four thousand. Message and data rates may apply. Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

13 Mar 2h 31min

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