DeFi By Design EP127: The State of Crypto Investing in 2024
The Rollup20 Feb 2024

DeFi By Design EP127: The State of Crypto Investing in 2024

If you have been here since day 1, you know we did a podcast with Qiao Wang in 2020 shortly after DeFi summer.

What a time to be alive.

In todays podcast, we cover a variety of topics, including cross-border payments using stablecoins, the differences between Ethereum and Solana, the significance of L2s, Solana's upcoming upgrade Firedancer, his take on modular vs. monolithic, the state of private markets, the infra vs. dApp investing thesis, and Qiao's thoughts on the 4-year cycle.

This was a really good refresher from a DeFi OG and someone who we really respect and look up to in the space.


𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗜𝘁𝗌 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗺𝗌𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗌𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗜𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:

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𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.

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