Ep. 351 Discussing the Recent NYT Article with Dr. Frank Arko and Dr. Saher Sabri
BackTable Vascular & Interventional2 Aug 2023

Ep. 351 Discussing the Recent NYT Article with Dr. Frank Arko and Dr. Saher Sabri

In this episode, host Dr. Ally Baheti interviews interventional radiologist Dr. Saher Sabri and vascular surgeon Dr. Frank Arko about their perspectives on a July 2023 New York Times article about the ethics of peripheral arterial disease (PAD) treatment in outpatient based labs (OBLs) and ambulatory surgery centers (ASCs). --- SHOW NOTES Dr. Arko emphasizes the importance of approaching articles as an unbiased reader. He acknowledges that sensationalism in the news is common, and while bad actors do exist, he personally knows talented OBL/ASC practitioners. He also notes that the article fails to mention that the majority of these practitioners follow society guidelines to provide appropriate and effective treatment for their patients, rather than prioritizing financial gain. He believes that most non-surgical specialists have the clinical insight to know when patients would be better candidates for open bypasses as opposed to endovascular interventions. Dr. Arko describes the split response to the article within vascular surgeons on social media, based on their personal philosophies of open versus endovascular interventions for PAD. Dr. Sabri believes that PAD and critical limb-threatening ischemia (CLTI) are not very well known by the general public, this article was a missed opportunity to bring attention to these conditions and disparities in treatments depending on patients’ geographic locations and ethnicities. The article may have the effect of scaring patients away from seeking treatment for PAD and CLTI, as well as receiving care at OBLs, which were originally founded to make interventions more efficient and patient-friendly. Additionally, the article could foster divisiveness between vascular surgeons, interventional radiologists, and interventional cardiologists and as a result, increase barriers to collaboration. It is important to differentiate between PAD and CLTI and the stage at which patients present to medical care. Limb salvage rates and decisions to intervene and/or amputate are multifactorial and are not as straightforward as the article may imply. Both doctors agree that specialty societies share the responsibility of monitoring their members for overuse of interventions. In terms of rebates and volume discounts from device companies, the doctors discuss the ethics of cost savings that benefit a hospital system versus savings that benefit a physician-owned OBL. Dr. Arko recognizes that financing an OBL with device company partnerships can be a smart business decision if devices are used appropriately and only when indicated. He speaks about the need for societies to support more randomized control trials that compare the effectiveness of each atherectomy device. We also discuss implications for insurance coverage of PAD/CLTI interventions. Dr. Sabri believes that it is unfortunate when insurance companies become the decision-maker of patient treatments. --- RESOURCES “They Lost Their Legs. Doctors and Health Giants Profited” (NY Times, July 2023 article): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/health/atherectomy-peripheral-artery-disease.html BEST-CLI: https://www.bestcli.com/ “Blocked Artery in Your Leg? Here’s What You Should Know” (ProPublica, June 2023 article) https://www.propublica.org/article/what-to-know-about-peripheral-artery-disease Outpatient Endovascular Interventional Society (OEIS): https://oeisweb.com/ Society of Vascular Surgery (SVS) Position Statement: https://vascular.org/news-advocacy/articles-press-releases/svs-response-new-york-times-article-overuse-interventions

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Ep. 48 IR and ENT Treatment of Epistaxis with Dr. Ashley Agan and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Ep. 48 IR and ENT Treatment of Epistaxis with Dr. Ashley Agan and Dr. Sabeen Dhand

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Ep. 47 BRTO vs. PARTO and other Techniques with Dr. Luke Wilkins

Ep. 47 BRTO vs. PARTO and other Techniques with Dr. Luke Wilkins

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/ZvpYnL Special Guest Dr. Luke Wilkins of University of Virginia VIR discusses BRTO and PARTO techniques for treatment of gastric variceal bleeding.

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Ep. 46 Collaboration not Competition between IR and IC with Dr. Achal Sahai and Dr. Chris Beck

Ep. 46 Collaboration not Competition between IR and IC with Dr. Achal Sahai and Dr. Chris Beck

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/bobcIg Interventional Cardiologist (IC) Dr. Achal Sahai and Interventional Radiologist (IR) Dr. Christopher Beck discuss ways these two specialties collaborate on complex cases, share endovascular techniques, and avoid the "turf war" trap.

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Ep. 45 Coping with Complications with Dr. Maureen Kohi and Dr. Sandeep Bagla

Ep. 45 Coping with Complications with Dr. Maureen Kohi and Dr. Sandeep Bagla

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/uVVOw3 Dr. Maureen Kohi from UCSF Medical Center and Dr. Sandeep Bagla from Vascular Institute of Virginia discuss the challenges of dealing with procedural complications, and the importance of talking with colleagues and mentors in effective coping.

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Ep. 44 TIPS Procedure Techniques: East to West Coast with Dr. Peder Horner and Dr. Peter Bream

Ep. 44 TIPS Procedure Techniques: East to West Coast with Dr. Peder Horner and Dr. Peter Bream

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/2WK9kp East Coast "McBreamy" and "Western Peder" discuss their Colapinto vs. Uchida needle preference, advantages of the ICE catheter, and other great pearls and pitfalls for the TIPS Procedure. Special thanks to our sponsor RADPAD® Radiation Protection. Protect yourself and your patients during those lengthy TIPS cases.

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Ep. 43 Managing Urosepsis with Dr. Caire and Dr. Bennett

Ep. 43 Managing Urosepsis with Dr. Caire and Dr. Bennett

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/rn9T7J Urologist Dr. Arthur Caire and IR Dr. Shelby Bennett return to the BackTable Podcast to discuss their approaches to urosepsis, stent vs. nephrostomy for a variety of presentations, and the middle-of-the-night patient.

2 Jun 201934min

Ep. 42 Physician Contract Negotiation with Dr. Mary Costantino and Courtney Angeli

Ep. 42 Physician Contract Negotiation with Dr. Mary Costantino and Courtney Angeli

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/igMUV3 Dr. Mary Costantino and her contract lawyer Courtney Angeli discuss the essentials of physician contract negotiation: finding the right lawyer, partnerships, non-competes, and critical pitfalls to avoid.

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Ep. 41 IR and Urology Collaboration on Renal Masses with Dr. Caire and Dr. Bennett

Ep. 41 IR and Urology Collaboration on Renal Masses with Dr. Caire and Dr. Bennett

Reflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs here: https://earnc.me/PZalEv Urologist Dr. Arthur Caire and IR Dr. Shelby Bennett discuss their approaches to treating renal masses, including ways in which IR and Urology collaborate, laparoscopic versus percutaneous ablation, follow-up imaging, and more.

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