Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Teri Yates explores the nuances of choosing between an Office-Based Lab (OBL) and Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) for private practices. Teri is the CEO of Accountable Physician Advisors, a consulting firm which specializes in OBLs, ASCs, and hybrid models for private-practice physicians. She is also President of DocCentric, a company focused on supporting physicians building and leading their own ASCs. The discussion includes a comprehensive analysis of the financial, regulatory, and operational considerations for physicians contemplating this decision. This includes insights into reimbursement models, Medicare regulations, and the strategic advantages of each model. The episode also touches on the importance of feasibility studies, partnerships with other specialties, and real estate strategies when developing these facilities. The conversation provides valuable advice for navigating the complexities of ASC development and emphasizes the value of maintaining independence and leveraging physician-owned models for long-term success. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SHOW NOTES 00:00 - Introduction 04:19 - Deep Dive into OBL and ASC: Definitions, Differences, and Decisions 07:26 - Financial Implications of ASC vs. OBL 10:56 - Hybrid Model: Combining OBL and ASC for Flexibility 15:14 - Navigating the Complexities of ASC Development 20:03 - Real Estate Strategies for OBL and ASC Projects 22:50 - Staffing Considerations and Physician Entrepreneur Insights 35:17 - Future of OBL and ASC: Trends and Predictions 39:43 - Closing Thoughts and Resources for Further Learning --- RESOURCES Ambulatory Surgery Center Association: https://www.ascassociation.org/home OEIS Annual Meeting 2024 Las Vegas: https://oeisweb.com/meetings/2024-annual-meeting/ Accountable Physician Advisors (Teri’s consulting firm): http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/services DocCentric: https://doccentricasc.com/ NOON Development Company: https://noondevelopment.com/ BT VI Episode #366 - Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid BT VI Episode #202 - Staffing the OBL with Dr. Krishna Mannava and Kristin Longwell: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/202/staffing-the-obl BT VI Episode #129 - OBL / ASC Business Pearls with Dr. Jim Melton: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/129/obl-asc-business-pearls BI VI Episode #121 - Office-Based Labs (OBLs) & What You Can Do in Them with Dr. Mike Watts: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/121/office-based-labs-obls-what-you-can-do-in-them BT VI Episode #42 - Building an Outpatient UFE Practice with Dr. Mary Costantino: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/36/building-an-outpatient-ufe-practice

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Ep. 481 Genicular Artery Embolization: How I Do It with Dr. Osman Ahmed

Ep. 481 Genicular Artery Embolization: How I Do It with Dr. Osman Ahmed

Genicular artery embolization (GAE) is quickly emerging as a treatment option for knee osteoarthritis when other therapies have failed. In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Dr. Osman Ahmed discusses the origins of GAE and how he employs it in his practice. --- This podcast is supported by an educational grant from Guerbet. --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Ahmed, an interventional radiologist at the University of Chicago, shares details about the procedure, his journey in adopting it, and his thoughts on the current landscape of GAE. Topics include procedural techniques, patient selection, anatomical considerations, potential complications, and the importance of ongoing research in this field. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 04:43 - Knee Osteoarthritis and Current Treatments 07:54 - Building a GAE Practice 13:23 - Tools and Procedure: Step-by-Step 25:05 - Post-Procedure Care and Complications 30:26 - Future of GAE and Other Applications 34:03 - Conclusion and Contact Information --- RESOURCES BackTable INN Ep. 46- New Innovations in Treatment of PE: The Flow Medical Story with Founders Dr. Osman Ahmed and Dr. Jonathan Paul: https://www.backtable.com/shows/innovation/podcasts/46/new-innovations-in-treatment-of-pe-the-flow-medical-story BackTable VI Ep. 429- Tackling Upper GI Bleeds: Techniques and Tools with Dr. Osman Ahmed: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/429/tackling-upper-gi-bleeds-techniques-tools BackTable VI Ep. 447- Exploring GAE: Clinical Insights & Outcomes with Dr. Mark Little: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/447/exploring-gae-clinical-insights-outcomes GEST MSK Conference 2025 (Paris): https://www.gestmsk.com/ Okuno Y et al. Transcatheter arterial embolization as a treatment for medial knee pain in patients with mild to moderate osteoarthritis (2014): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24993956/ Little MW et al. Genicular artEry embolizatioN in patiEnts with oSteoarthrItiS of the Knee (GENESIS 1) Using Permanent Microspheres: Interim Analysis (2021): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33474601/ Little MW et al. Genicular Artery Embolisation in Patients with Osteoarthritis of the Knee (GENESIS 2): Protocol for a Double-Blind Randomised Sham-Controlled Trial (2023): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37337060/ Correa MP et al.GAUCHO - Trial Genicular Artery Embolization Using Imipenem/Cilastatin vs. Microsphere for Knee Osteoarthritis: A Randomized Controlled Trial (2022): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35304614/ Sapoval M et al. Genicular artery embolization for knee osteoarthritis: Results of the LipioJoint-1 trial (2024): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38102013/

20 Sep 202437min

Ep. 480 Venous Treatments: How Low Do You Go? with Dr. Adam Raskin

Ep. 480 Venous Treatments: How Low Do You Go? with Dr. Adam Raskin

Get caught up on the current best practices and guidelines in venous interventions. Dr. Adam Raskin covers this and more, with host Dr. Sabeen Dhand in this discussion of DVT and PE treatments. Dr. Raskin is an interventional cardiologist, medical director of Cardiac ICU, and Co-Director of the PERT program at Mercy Health in Cincinnati, Ohio. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Imperative Care https://imperativecare.com/vascular/ --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Raskin shares his comprehensive approach for treating patients with DVT and PE, highlighting recent advancements in thrombectomy systems, as well as underscoring the need for more randomized trials to further build on current venous disease treatment guidelines. The doctors also touch on the significance of accurate diagnostic tools and thorough follow-up to improve patient outcomes. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 10:58 - Approaching DVT & PE Patients 19:04 - Thrombectomy Advancements 24:02 - Iliofemoral Interventions & Standard Practices 26:32 - Accessing Tibial Veins & Clearing Clots 38:59 - Follow-Up & Data Collection 41:09 - Future of Venous Interventions --- RESOURCES The 2023 Society for Vascular Surgery, American Venous Forum, and American Vein and Lymphatic Society clinical practice guidelines for the management of varicose veins of the lower extremities. Part II Endorsed by the Society of Interventional Radiology and the Society for Vascular Medicine: https://www.jvsvenous.org/article/S2213-333X(23)00322-0/fulltext --- DISCLAIMER The Symphony Thrombectomy System is intended for the non-surgical removal of fresh, soft emboli and thrombi from blood vessels. Injection, infusion and/or aspiration of contrast media and other fluids into or from a blood vessel, intended for use in the peripheral vasculature and it is not for use in the pulmonary vasculature. Rx only. Important Safety Information may be found at http://bit.ly/3pAaUlw. Views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the sponsor. Certain content in this podcast contains forward-looking statements and no assurance of future results should be relied upon. Brands and trademarks referenced herein are those of their respective owners or holders. Dr. Adam Raskin is a paid consultant of Imperative Care.

17 Sep 202446min

Ep. 479 World of Hurt: A New Film About Medical Malpractice with Viknesh Kasthuri

Ep. 479 World of Hurt: A New Film About Medical Malpractice with Viknesh Kasthuri

In a society where discussions about medical malpractice are often concealed from the public eye, this episode of BackTable shines a spotlight on the powerful documentary ‘A World of Hurt: How Medical Malpractice Fails Everyone,’ produced by Viknesh Kasthuri, a fourth-year medical student at Brown University. Released earlier this year, the film explores how the American medical malpractice system harms and disconnects patients and providers through three compelling case studies. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR RADPAD® Radiation Protection https://www.radpad.com/ --- SYNPOSIS We delve into Viknesh’s motivations and the process behind creating the documentary, discussing the need for improved provider education on lawsuits, effective communication with patients and legal teams, and strategies for coping mentally and emotionally throughout this intensive process. Additionally, Viknesh provides a behind-the-scenes look at documentary production, including filming during the COVID pandemic, creating environments for patients and providers to share their stories, and submitting the documentary to film festivals. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 02:40 - Inspiration Behind the Documentary 06:10 - Technical and Legal Aspects of Documentary Production 14:34 - Releasing the Documentary 17:04 - Physician and Patient Responses to Medical Errors 20:27 - Highlighting Communication Resolution Programs 23:04 - Educational Gaps in Medical Training 26:43 - Exploring Systemic Solutions to Management of Medical Errors 30:16 - Final Thoughts and Future Projects --- RESOURCES A World of Hurt Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IVcL6pACU BackTable VI Ep. 77- Doctors and Litigation: The L Word, with Dr. Gita Pensa: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/177/doctors-litigation-the-l-word The L Word Podcast with Dr. Gita Pensa: https://doctorsandlitigation.com/podcast-2 BackTable ENT Ep. 90- Coaching Physicians Through the Stress of Malpractice Litigation, with Dr. Gita Pensa: https://www.backtable.com/shows/ent/podcasts/90/coaching-physicians-through-the-stress-of-malpractice-litigation Michigan Model Communication and Resolution Program: https://www.uofmhealth.org/michigan-model-medical-malpractice-and-patient-safety-umhs

13 Sep 202437min

Ep. 478 ASC vs. OBL: Legal Insights Explained with Jason Greis

Ep. 478 ASC vs. OBL: Legal Insights Explained with Jason Greis

Are you interested in starting an ASC or converting your OBL into an ASC, but aren’t sure where to start? We’ve got you covered with this comprehensive overview. Attorney Jason Greis joins guest host and ASC founder Dr. Krishna Mannava to explore the operational, financial, and legal intricacies of starting an ASC. Jason is a Partner of Benesch, Friedlander, Coplan & Aronoff LLP, outside co-counsel to the Renal Physicians Association and OEIS Society, and recognized faculty member of SIR Business Institute. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR RADPAD® Radiation Protection https://www.radpad.com/ --- SYNPOSIS Jason and Dr. Mannava discuss crucial factors such as structural modifications, financial considerations, legal requirements, Certificate of Need (CON) states, and credentialing processes. The conversation also delves into strategic partnerships with hospitals, the role of ASC management companies, and the involvement of non-physician owners. Additionally, they explain the implications of non-compete clauses, operational challenges, investment structures, and exit strategies. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:11 - OBL to ASC Conversion 06:08 - Financial and Regulatory Aspects 15:35 - Ownership and Investment Strategies 29:41 - Non-Competes and Legal Risks 34:21 - Specialized Legal Advice and Conclusion --- RESOURCES Vive Vascular: https://www.vivevascular.com/ SIR Business Center: https://irbc.sirweb.org/

10 Sep 202446min

Ep. 477 Building a Successful Lymphangiography Practice with Dr. Bill Majdalany

Ep. 477 Building a Successful Lymphangiography Practice with Dr. Bill Majdalany

What’s needed to build a successful lymphangiography practice? Dr. Bill Majdalany joins host Dr. Chris Beck to answer this question and to discuss advancements in lymphangiography over the past decade. Dr. Majdalany is the Chief and Vice Chair of Research of Interventional Radiology at University of Vermont. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Guerbet --- SYNPOSIS The doctors provide insights on various lymphatic procedures such as thoracic duct embolization, stenting, and recanalization. They also discuss the evolving significance of lymphatic medicine in interventional radiology and its potential applications in treating conditions like ascites and variceal bleeding. The conversation underscores the interconnected nature of the lymphatic system throughout the body, emphasizing the revolutionary potential of lymphangiography in modern medicine. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 04:23 - Building a Lymphangiography Practice 08:36 - The Lymphatic Revolution 17:42 - Practical Tips and Equipment for Lymphangiography 30:09 - Advanced Interventions and Tools 48:45 - Future of Lymphatic Interventions 51:23 - Conclusion and Resources --- RESOURCES BackTable VI Podcast Episode #135 - IR Residency Pathways & Getting In! (Part 1) with Dr. Jeff Bodner and Dr. Bill Majdalany: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/contributors/dr-bill-majdalany Seminars in Interventional Radiology - Lymphatics: https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/issue/10.1055/s-010-49075 Lymphatic Anatomy: https://www.techvir.com/article/S1089-2516(16)30042-7/abstract

3 Sep 202454min

Ep. 476 Medical Innovations: IR in Space with Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon

Ep. 476 Medical Innovations: IR in Space with Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon

What is the final frontier of interventional radiology? Dominic Tanzillo and Dr. Richard Moon believe it could be space. Dominic is a 3rd year medical student at Duke University interested in interventional radiology (IR) and space medicine, and Dr. Moon is a Professor at Duke University and an expert in hyperbaric and aerospace medicine. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Medtronic DCB https://www.medtronic.com/us-en/healthcare-professionals/products/cardiovascular/drug-coated-balloons.html --- SYNPOSIS Dominic and Dr. Moon cover the potential for IR in deep space missions, focusing on the unique challenges astronauts face, such as altered blood flow, increased clotting risks, and the impacts of microgravity on the human body. The episode dives into NASA’s investments in portable medical technologies, the practicalities of emergency medical procedures in space, and the need for minimally invasive interventions. The significance of IR in diagnosing and managing vascular issues in space is discussed, as well as the broader implications for future Mars missions and long-term space travel. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 02:36 - IR in Space 20:04 - Medical Issues Astronauts Face 26:27 - Remote Surgery and Telesurgery 30:45 - Emergency Evacuations in Space 32:32 - More on Space Medicine --- RESOURCES Aerospace Medicine Association: https://www.asma.org/about-asma/careers/aerospace-medicine Translational Research Institute for Space Health: https://www.bcm.edu/academic-centers/space-medicine/translational-research-institute Space Medicine Coursera: https://www.coursera.org/learn/space-medicine-duke What Space Medicine Taught Me About Science Communication | Dominic Tanzillo | TEDxDuke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBkdvSByneM Dominic Tanzillo: https://dominictanzillo.github.io/

27 Aug 202437min

Ep. 475 Bariatric Embolization for Obesity Management with Dr Cliff Weiss

Ep. 475 Bariatric Embolization for Obesity Management with Dr Cliff Weiss

While GLP-1 agonists continue to gain popularity in the medical management of diabetes and obesity, Dr. Cliff Weiss is exploring bariatric arterial embolization (BAE) as an adjunctive therapy to help patients sustain weight loss. Dr. Weiss, the Director of IR Research at Johns Hopkins, joins the show to discuss the techniques and impacts of BAE for obesity treatment. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Weiss outlines his initial research interest in gastric embolization of the fundus to reduce ghrelin production. He began by studying the use of sclerosants for embolization but later shifted to using embolic spheres. BAE involves the targeted embolization of the left gastric artery, with or without the left gastroepiploic artery, using 300-500 micron embolic spheres. Dr. Weiss also employs a dilute mixture of spheres and a vasodilator to achieve distal arterial penetration. He describes the role of BAE in conjunction with existing surgical and pharmaceutical treatments. According to his experience, patients undergoing BAE achieve maximum weight loss 6-9 months after the procedure and can maintain this weight when they follow up in a weight management clinic. Additionally, Dr. Weiss reviews data from BAE studies, including the BEAT Obesity Trial and the recent BEATLES Trial. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:21 - Early Research and Development of BAE 07:39 - Potential Role of BAE in Obesity Treatment 16:03 - Procedure Details 25:28 - Post-Procedure Care and Patient Management 28:06 - Insights from the BEAT Obesity Trial 33:38 - BEATLES Trial 37:38 - Combination Therapy for Obesity --- RESOURCES BEAT Obesity Trial: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiol.2019182354 LC Bead/Bead Block: https://www.bostonscientific.com/en-US/products/embolization/lc-bead.html EmboSpheres: https://www.merit.com/product/embosphere-microspheres/ EMBIO Trial: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/9/e072327 BEATLES Trial: https://www.jvir.org/article/S1051-0443(23)01155-7/fulltext

20 Aug 202445min

Ep. 474 Navigating Physician and Industry Relationships with Dr. Adam Tanious

Ep. 474 Navigating Physician and Industry Relationships with Dr. Adam Tanious

How can physicians and industry partners collaborate effectively to enhance patient care? Dr. Adam Tanious, Assistant Professor of Vascular Surgery at the Medical University of South Carolina, joins host Dr. Aaron Fritts to explore strategies for navigating physician-industry relationships. --- SYNPOSIS The doctors share their experiences in partnering with the medical device industry. The conversation covers the benefits of industry partnerships, the challenges of avoiding conflicts of interest, and the critical role of education in preparing new physicians for these interactions. Dr. Tanious also delves into his thought-provoking TED Talk on big business in surgery, and discusses the value of business education for physicians. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 02:12 - Medicine and Business 05:01 - Business Knowledge for Physicians 15:05 - Physician-Industry Relationships 27:26 - Industry Relationships in Medical Training 33:08 - Ethical Considerations and Influence in the OR 35:00 - Leveraging Industry Resources for Better Training 43:24 - Future of Medical Technology and Collaboration --- RESOURCES Big Business and Surgery: Who Belongs in Your Operating Room?: https://youtu.be/kksVjF0fI_w?si=LADwqrbXPz3VsFm4 Quantic MBA Program: https://quantic.edu/blog/category/fields-of-study/accounting/ The price of a cup of coffee: https://vascularspecialistonline.com/the-price-of-a-cup-of-coffee/

16 Aug 202456min

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