225 - John Vervaeke - Angels in Scientific Terms - Part 2

Fr. Stephen De Young is writing an article for our upcoming publication, the Symbolic World Magazine, and he will also join us as a speaker for the Symbolic World Summit in February 2024. He is an amazing writer and speaker and has really helped me reach new heights in my understanding of Scripture.In this discussion we specifically discuss certain sexual and revolutionary symbolism in the Bible, starting with when Ham “uncovered” his father, Noah’s, “nakedness”. Understanding this is a key to understanding Genesis 9, and an important aspect of Biblical storytelling.Bio: Rev. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. He is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog, as well as co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast. Fr. Stephen holds a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Amridge University.Registration for the Symbolic World Summit in Tarpon Springs, Florida, opens TODAY! Date: Feb 29-Mar 2, 2024Tickets start at $399: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit ---Fr. Stephen De Young:Lord of Spirits podcast: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspiritsFr. De Young’s books, podcasts, and blogs: https://www.ancientfaith.com/contributors/stephen_deyoungPrevious discussions with Fr. De Young on this channel:- The Son of Man - with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KkjD-sLQI- Gods, Angels and Demons - with Fr. Andrew Damick and Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_WlIurGtA- Hope for the Future and the Religion of the Apostles | with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuxgepcNwQ---Original YouTuber version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/GQgOYkzj0ek---Timestamps:0:00 // Preview clip1:17 // Intro music1:42 // Introduction2:17 // Speaking at conference3:28 // The legacy of Lord of Spirits5:33 // Rediscovering the Old World11:57 // A key in Genesis about Noah16:23 // Uncovering the father's nakedness20:09 // Why would Ham do this25:03 // Usurpation in Scripture30:06 // The positive side31:10 // The sin at the beginning of a world34:10 // Not too close or too far39:10 // In Christ's story40:57 // Conceding mediation44:14 // A more mature understanding of unification47:22 // Our conception of marriage and family51:03 // St. Paul saying women must cover their heads56:37 // Noah's sin59:11 // Lot's sin1:01:00 // Knowing your opponent---💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

22 Sep 20231h 6min

I sat down again with the American novelist and screenwriter, Gregg Hurwitz. Gregg was part of the Daily Wire+ Exodus series discussion panel with Jordan Peterson, so I thought it was a good time for us to talk about what we took away from those discussions, Exodus, Christianity, CS Lewis, the importance of ritual, temperance, and a nuanced approach to social matters.Previous discussions: - New Think - with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/nR53MJd8VLI?si=AAIcbBjs4x1pHt9X- Patterns in Politics and Storytelling | with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/ykDHAapyaZ4?si=pNF0KV7uIInAMiUs Exodus series with Daily Wire+ and Jordan Peterson: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQAppIsV0MmKYhGeFGJsy-dS&si=VxB_bJsEU-QvWHPWGregg’s website: https://gregghurwitz.net/Original YouTube version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/tOhS9Gm_a5I---Timestamps:00:00 // Preview00:41 // Intro music01:06 // Introduction01:56 // Gregg's experience with the Exodus series04:57 // Let the fringe be the fringe13:06 // Layers of participation15:04 // The essence of the laws16:28 // Values and a foundation20:20 // Humility22:06 // A structure in which to navigate25:39 // The necessity of ritual31:04 // CS Lewis and The Great Divorce35:28 // Freedom38:25 // Hell43:39 // Hypocrisy and accusation48:09 // The Nine Worthies54:34 // The messiness of life1:03:22 // Guilt by association1:08:54 // Pluralistic ignorance---💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

15 Sep 20231h 13min

Apologies for the audio quality.In this lecture, I take you through contemporary art history and its desperate search for a proper means of participation in a desacralized world. This talk is a follow-up to a previous video I did, The End of Desacralization in Art. This time I want to explore with you some specifics on how contemporary art has to confront alienation, power dynamics, and the minimization of yet yearning for ritual, participation, and community.Original YouTube version of this lecture: https://youtu.be/EWc7TKm9jhoThis lecture follows up on a previous video lecture I posted, The End of Desacralization in Art: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WYh20sYBsQ&t=813s---Timestamps:0:00 - Preview0:59 - Intro music1:24 - Introduction2:27 - The pendulum swing of deincarnation3:12 - Brancusi: Find the essence5:41 - More examples: Kandinsky and Mondrian8:59 - Opposites attract: Idealism and constructivism12:38 - Alienation of the art object17:53 - One extreme calls the other19:10 - Remember participation21:12 - Marina Abramovic28:56 - Resembling rituals31:55 - Eating as ritual participation36:37 - Joseph Beuys: Atonement43:51 - Anselm Kiefer: The weight of history47:02 - Trapped in the art world50:55 - Hope---💻 Website and blog: http:-www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https:-linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https:-thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https:-thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http:-www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http:-www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http:-www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https:-www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https:-www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

8 Sep 202352min

In this episode of the Universal History series, Richard Rohlin presents a talk about 4 things we must take into consideration in order to think like a pre-modern Christian. This is a primer for approaching old texts like Beowulf, the topic of our upcoming online course on the Symbolic World website.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/CyJaaX60QKwTHE BEOWULF COURSELearn more: https://thesymbolicworld.com/news/the-beowulf-course-by-richard-rohlin-and-jonathan-pageauAlso, please note that the course will happen on our Symbolic World website Circle community, so please make sure that you’re signed up (Free): https://thesymbolicworld.com/login We are excited to present our very first online course hosted directly on The Symbolic World website!Richard Rohlin and Jonathan Pageau will build on their popular Universal History series by offering an in-depth exploration of the Epic Poem, Beowulf. Promo video: https://youtu.be/hUjxvEw3uCY?si=jozwytuh-tcHQe7iYou are invited to participate in this 6-week live online course every Thursday starting on Thursday, September 7th, at 2:00pm Eastern Time. Each session will be 2 hours long. The course will conclude on October 19th. (Note: No class on September 21th.)All materials will be provided, except for a copy of R.M. Liuzza's translation of Beowulf: https://www.amazon.com/Beowulf-Broadview-Literary-Texts-Liuzza/dp/1551111896------Timestamps:0:00 - Preview0:44 - Intro music1:08 - Introduction4:35 - C.S. Lewis7:09 - Modern VS Ancient11:10 - Tourists in the Church15:11 - 1) Authorship and textual "errors"20:16 - Why do we have 4 gospel accounts?22:52 - What is a book? Pre-modern, Modern, and Post-Modern30:13 - Authorship33:11 - Transmission37:40 - 2) The meaning of words and things55:47 - 3) Heaven above, earth below1:04:00 - Moved by love1:5:25 - Space and time1:7:39 - The metric system1:10:20 - Chronos and Kairos1:17:11 - Meaning in hindsight1:20:55 - 4) The anthropocosmic vision------💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

2 Sep 20231h 29min

Many of the Church Fathers talk about the notion that angels have what we call "subtle bodies", that angels are not completely incorporeal (God only is completely incorporeal) but their bodies are also not circumscribed in flesh, but in mind.In this formerly patron video, I explain what the Church means with this description of angels and how it's something we can relate to in the general human experience.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/MTuDl7o-1bEThe discussion with Rafe Kelley I mention near the end: https://youtu.be/06Osa0EmJVc----Timestamps:0:00 // Introduction0:43 // Intro music1:08 // What are subtle bodies?2:13 // St. John Damacene6:32 // Perelandra by C.S. Lewis9:19 // Our subtle bodies and the hierarchy of angels14:06 // True analogies15:23 // Jesus prayer18:13 // Continue: True analogies20:17 // Examples---💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

25 Aug 202322min

I sit down with Ted Lewis to discuss the work of Jacques Ellul and his views, on technology, Christianity, civilization, and transpersonal agency.Ted Lewis is Executive Director of the International Jacques Ellul Society.Full bio: https://restorativechurch.org/about-ted-lewis/International Jacques Ellul Society: https://ellul.org/The Ellul Forum: https://ellulforum.weebly.com/ Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/JIsypT45UVMList of books mentioned:- The Technological Society, by Jacques Ellul- The Secular City, by Harvey Cox- The Empire of Non-sense, by Jacques Ellul- The Humiliation of the Word, by Jacques Ellul- The Ellul Forum- I See Satan Fall Like Lightning, by René Girard- The Space Trilogy, by CS Lewis- The Technological Bluff, by Jacques Ellul- The Technological System, by Jacques Ellul- The Abolition of Man, by CS Lewis- Presence in the Modern World, by Jacques Ellul—Timestamps:00:00:00 - Preview00:01:15 - Intro music00:01:40 - Introduction00:02:40 - Jacques Ellul's warning00:05:40 - Ellul's influences00:06:56 - Biblical images of the city00:09:03 - Ellul's suspicion of imagery00:10:45 - Reconciling the word and image00:12:41 - Ellul: Principalities and powers00:19:10 - Symbol and the lie00:24:55 - The positive Image in Scripture00:31:34 - Ellul now: The Technological Bluff00:37:26 - The Tower of Babel00:41:10 - That Hideous Strength phrase00:43:12 - The divine council00:50:50 - Ted's work and advice in the modern world00:56:17 - Closing words—💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

17 Aug 202357min

How conspiracies work. It's time to change how we think about conspiracies and get a more nuanced view. While secretive conspiracies also exist, many of them emerge quite spontaneously and openly according to incentives and common attention. You don't have to imagine top-down control at every level of operation for the conspiracy to still be in effect.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/FLxU33EPJWkFollow my brother Matthieu Pageau on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PageauMatthieuMy discussion about conspiracies with Mary Harrington: https://youtu.be/D__CrY3FaWA💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

11 Aug 202319min

This is a discussion from the Princeton Scala Foundation conference that took place in April 2023 with the title, “The Transfiguration: Glory and Grace in the World”. I sat down with Margarita Mooney Clayton and iconographer and author Aidan Hart to discuss the Transfiguration of Christ, how God's glory fills the world, and that the ultimate goal of the spiritual life is encountering God face to face.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/J3u9jWeA6BM- A previous discussion I had with Aidan Hart - The Dance between Sacred and Secular: https://youtu.be/hzQkolwWkwE - My talk at the conference - The Role of Art in Identity: https://youtu.be/mfDm4VefkJg- Aidan Hart’s talk - Liturgical Art as Prophecy and Priesthood: https://youtu.be/07KxzJABskY- Playlist of all the talks at the event: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRZHnw30gpFeBFtZE-wsj5or0BdQtIMjh- Scala Foundation website: https://scalafoundation.org/- Aidan Hart's icons and books: https://aidanharticons.com/—Timestamps:00:00:00 - Preview00:00:45 - Intro music00:01:10 - Introduction00:01:58 - The value of images00:03:08 - Principles of liturgical art00:04:25 - The Nous00:05:57 - How do I know this isn't just imagination?00:07:32 - The Transfiguration and Light00:10:04 - The culmination of symbolism00:12:38 - Poetry and Typology00:13:46 - Clothes of glory / The Feast of Tabernacles00:16:17 - Anti-Symbolism00:17:09 - The point of symbols00:19:31 - Word/logoi00:21:48 - The basic elements of the Transfiguration icon00:24:27 - What are Moses and Elijah doing there?00:26:04 - Peter, James, and John00:27:29 - The sandal falling off00:30:03 - The person and the divinity of Christ00:32:26 - Divine Darkness00:35:12 - His garment is transfigured00:44:37 - The tension between extremes00:51:41 - Scala—💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

3 Aug 202351min