856: How to Get Traction Before Building Your Product

856: How to Get Traction Before Building Your Product

Today's guest owns and runs 7 different companies including a software development company, Paladin. You will discover how to gain proof of concept and build an MVP before spending a dime in product development.

Dave Chesson is the creator of Kindlepreneur.com, a website devoted to teaching advanced book Marketing which even Amazon KDP acknowledge as one of the best by telling users to “Gain insight from Kindlepreneur on how you can optimize marketing for your books.”

He’s also the founder of Publisher Rocket, a book marketing software, and Atticus.io, a book writing and formatting software.

Topics covered:
- How he first started
- How to market before building the product
- How to get outside traffic (including his favorite tips)
- Why he decided to build a Progressive Web App
- Partnership tips that led him to running 7 different companies

Dave Chesson is the Founder at Kindlepreneur.com and Co-Founder at Atticus.io

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This AI Learning App Made $1.8M in Its First Year (Coursiv App)

This AI Learning App Made $1.8M in Its First Year (Coursiv App)

They turned a simple AI learning app into a $1.8 million business, with one genius move: Web-to-App Funnels.In this video, I break down how Coursiv generated $1.8M in its first year of launch, their exact Instagram & YouTube ads, landing page psychology, onboarding flow, and the brilliant scarcity-based pricing tactic that hooked me.Whether you’re building an AI app or just want to skyrocket user acquisition, this is your funnel playbook.You'll learn:✅ How Coursiv grew to $1.8M+ with smart funnel design✅ Why their quiz-based onboarding converts like crazy✅ The psychology behind their paywall with a countdown✅ Tips to implement Web-to-App strategies for your app✅ Why long pricing pages boost conversions (with examples)Whether you’re building an AI app or want to skyrocket your app's growth, this breakdown is packed with real-world tactics that work.🚀 Learn more about Coursiv → https://coursiv.com/IOS: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/coursiv-ai-tools-mastery/id6478281150Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.zimran.coursiv&pli=1💬 Drop a comment with your favorite funnel strategy or questions you have.Work with us: ⁠https://www.appmasters.com⁠Indie App Santa: ⁠https://www.indieappsanta.com⁠Get training, coaching, and community: ⁠⁠https://appmastersacademy.com/⁠*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: ⁠https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters⁠*********************************************Apps are shifting billions. Timing is everything. iOS users are your VIPs.If you're in e-commerce and still running last year's playbook, you're already behind.The State of eCommerce App Marketing 2025 by AppsFlyer breaks down $4.2B in spend to show exactly how top Shopping apps are winning - from smarter UA and AI-driven scaling to the death of “just Android” and the rise of web-to-app.Peak season is coming. Want to win it? Check out the report: ⁠https://shorturl.at/Av8fR⁠*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

5 Aug 18min

This AI Learning App Made $1.8M in Its First Year (Coursiv App)

This AI Learning App Made $1.8M in Its First Year (Coursiv App)

They turned a simple AI learning app into a $1.8 million business, with one genius move: Web-to-App Funnels.In this video, I break down how Coursiv generated $1.8M in its first year of launch, their exact Instagram & YouTube ads, landing page psychology, onboarding flow, and the brilliant scarcity-based pricing tactic that hooked me.Whether you’re building an AI app or just want to skyrocket user acquisition, this is your funnel playbook.You'll learn:✅ How Coursiv grew to $1.8M+ with smart funnel design✅ Why their quiz-based onboarding converts like crazy✅ The psychology behind their paywall with a countdown✅ Tips to implement Web-to-App strategies for your app✅ Why long pricing pages boost conversions (with examples)Whether you’re building an AI app or want to skyrocket your app's growth, this breakdown is packed with real-world tactics that work.🚀 Learn more about Coursiv → https://coursiv.com/IOS: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/coursiv-ai-tools-mastery/id6478281150Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.zimran.coursiv&pli=1💬 Drop a comment with your favorite funnel strategy or questions you have.Work with us: ⁠https://www.appmasters.com⁠Indie App Santa: ⁠https://www.indieappsanta.com⁠Get training, coaching, and community: ⁠⁠https://appmastersacademy.com/⁠*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: ⁠https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters⁠*********************************************Apps are shifting billions. Timing is everything. iOS users are your VIPs.If you're in e-commerce and still running last year's playbook, you're already behind.The State of eCommerce App Marketing 2025 by AppsFlyer breaks down $4.2B in spend to show exactly how top Shopping apps are winning - from smarter UA and AI-driven scaling to the death of “just Android” and the rise of web-to-app.Peak season is coming. Want to win it? Check out the report: ⁠https://shorturl.at/Av8fR⁠*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

5 Aug 20min

The Million-Dollar Exit Strategy for App Founders

The Million-Dollar Exit Strategy for App Founders

In this episode, we’re joined by Evelin Herrera, founder of the leading mergers & acquisitions firm for mobile apps and games. She helps hundreds of app founders navigate five to eight-digit exits and is the go-to voice when it comes to valuing, marketing, and selling apps.Evelin is the founder of EHVM, better known from the site www.evelinherrera.com, where more than 100 apps are listed for sale, and the creator of The Mobile Club, a community of app founders, investors, and operators. She breaks down what makes an app “EPIC”, the kind of product that gets serious exit multiples. From retention and community to branding, valuation metrics, and due diligence, Evelin shares what buyers are looking for.If you’ve ever thought about selling your app, this is the roadmap you didn’t know you needed.You will discover:✅ What makes an app “EPIC” and worth a 7-figure exit✅ The MOATs that boost your app’s valuation✅ Why branding, retention & community are make-or-break✅ How to prepare for a successful app exit or acquisitionLearn More:Connect with her for all things apps, valuation, metrics, and exits:https://x.com/herreraevel https://www.linkedin.com/in/evelinherrera/ Join the Mobile Club Community:https://evelinherrera.com/themobileclubCheck available apps on sale:www.evelinherrera.comWork with us: https://www.appmasters.com*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters*********************************************Everyone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

2 Aug 1h 11min

The Million-Dollar Exit Strategy for App Founders

The Million-Dollar Exit Strategy for App Founders

In this episode, we’re joined by Evelin Herrera, founder of the leading mergers & acquisitions firm for mobile apps and games. She helps hundreds of app founders navigate five to eight-digit exits and is the go-to voice when it comes to valuing, marketing, and selling apps.Evelin is the founder of EHVM, better known from the site www.evelinherrera.com, where more than 100 apps are listed for sale, and the creator of The Mobile Club, a community of app founders, investors, and operators. She breaks down what makes an app “EPIC”, the kind of product that gets serious exit multiples. From retention and community to branding, valuation metrics, and due diligence, Evelin shares what buyers are looking for.If you’ve ever thought about selling your app, this is the roadmap you didn’t know you needed.You will discover:✅ What makes an app “EPIC” and worth a 7-figure exit✅ The MOATs that boost your app’s valuation✅ Why branding, retention & community are make-or-break✅ How to prepare for a successful app exit or acquisitionLearn More:Connect with her for all things apps, valuation, metrics, and exits:https://x.com/herreraevel https://www.linkedin.com/in/evelinherrera/ Join the Mobile Club Community:https://evelinherrera.com/themobileclubCheck available apps on sale:www.evelinherrera.comWork with us: https://www.appmasters.com*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters*********************************************Everyone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

2 Aug 1h 12min

Fastest Way to Increase Engagement & Revenues

Fastest Way to Increase Engagement & Revenues

Want to instantly increase your app's retention and revenue in just 30 minutes? 💥In this video, Steve P. Young reveals a simple retention hack used by top apps (even finance ones!): adding games inside your app with Gamezop.Why this works:✅ Just a 5% boost in retention = up to 95% more profit✅ 26% of users churn after day one — let’s fix that✅ Gamification keeps users coming back daily✅ It works for any app category: fitness, finance, utility, entertainment🔥 Featured Tool: GamezopPlug-and-play games, quizzes, horoscopes, even cricket news — all inside your app, with ad revenue sharing.✅ No coding headache✅ Takes less than 30 minutes✅ Boosts MAU, DAU, and RevenueGamezop enables apps to integrate games, quizzes, astrology, and sports. Ads shown inside this content generate earnings that are shared between Gamezop and the host platforms.Any app can embed Gamezop’s content platforms in 30 minutes to grow engagement and unlock additional revenue.Use this link to get started, and get a limited-time 60% revenue share:https://business.gamezop.com/?utm_source=appmasters*********************************************SPONSORSEveryone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Apps are shifting billions. Timing is everything. iOS users are your VIPs.If you're in e-commerce and still running last year's playbook, you're already behind.The State of eCommerce App Marketing 2025 by AppsFlyer breaks down $4.2B in spend to show exactly how top Shopping apps are winning - from smarter UA and AI-driven scaling to the death of “just Android” and the rise of web-to-app.Peak season is coming. Want to win it? Check out the report: https://shorturl.at/Av8fR*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

29 Jul 11min

Fastest Way to Increase Engagement & Revenues

Fastest Way to Increase Engagement & Revenues

Want to instantly increase your app's retention and revenue in just 30 minutes? 💥In this video, Steve P. Young reveals a simple retention hack used by top apps (even finance ones!): adding games inside your app with Gamezop.Why this works:✅ Just a 5% boost in retention = up to 95% more profit✅ 26% of users churn after day one — let’s fix that✅ Gamification keeps users coming back daily✅ It works for any app category: fitness, finance, utility, entertainment🔥 Featured Tool: GamezopPlug-and-play games, quizzes, horoscopes, even cricket news — all inside your app, with ad revenue sharing.✅ No coding headache✅ Takes less than 30 minutes✅ Boosts MAU, DAU, and RevenueGamezop enables apps to integrate games, quizzes, astrology, and sports. Ads shown inside this content generate earnings that are shared between Gamezop and the host platforms.Any app can embed Gamezop’s content platforms in 30 minutes to grow engagement and unlock additional revenue.Use this link to get started, and get a limited-time 60% revenue share:https://business.gamezop.com/?utm_source=appmasters*********************************************SPONSORSEveryone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Apps are shifting billions. Timing is everything. iOS users are your VIPs.If you're in e-commerce and still running last year's playbook, you're already behind.The State of eCommerce App Marketing 2025 by AppsFlyer breaks down $4.2B in spend to show exactly how top Shopping apps are winning - from smarter UA and AI-driven scaling to the death of “just Android” and the rise of web-to-app.Peak season is coming. Want to win it? Check out the report: https://shorturl.at/Av8fR*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

29 Jul 13min

How She Scaled to 7M+ Installs on Google Play as an Indie Developer

How She Scaled to 7M+ Installs on Google Play as an Indie Developer

In this episode, we’re joined by Fatemeh Vahdatpour, a solo female founder who scaled her Android utility apps to over 7 million installs, 2 million active users, and generated $200K+ in revenue using only ASO, AdMob, and some Google Ads, no subscriptions, no outside funding.Fatemeh has launched four successful startups from scratch and now runs her app business from Dubai, where she’s building AI-powered apps in a fast-paced, tax-friendly startup hub.She’ll reveal her exact Google Ads & ASO playbook for scaling utility apps on a budget, what most indie devs get wrong about Android growth, and how she uses lean AI workflows to launch and iterate faster than the competition.We also explore her journey as a solo female app founder and how she’s built a life of freedom, travel, and growth, all powered by apps.You will discover:✅ How to scale an Android app using Google Ads and ASO✅ Why most indie developers fail with Google Ads and how to fix it✅ How to launch AI-powered apps without a big team✅ Her early-stage growth strategy: from $0 to $200K+ using only AdMobLearn More:Connect with her:https://www.linkedin.com/in/fatemeh-vahdatpour/ Work with us: https://www.appmasters.comIndie App Santa: https://www.indieappsanta.comGet training, coaching, and community: ⁠https://appmastersacademy.com/*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters*********************************************Everyone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

26 Jul 1h 10min

How She Scaled to 7M+ Installs on Google Play as an Indie Developer

How She Scaled to 7M+ Installs on Google Play as an Indie Developer

In this episode, we’re joined by Fatemeh Vahdatpour, a solo female founder who scaled her Android utility apps to over 7 million installs, 2 million active users, and generated $200K+ in revenue using only ASO, AdMob, and some Google Ads, no subscriptions, no outside funding.Fatemeh has launched four successful startups from scratch and now runs her app business from Dubai, where she’s building AI-powered apps in a fast-paced, tax-friendly startup hub.She’ll reveal her exact Google Ads & ASO playbook for scaling utility apps on a budget, what most indie devs get wrong about Android growth, and how she uses lean AI workflows to launch and iterate faster than the competition.We also explore her journey as a solo female app founder and how she’s built a life of freedom, travel, and growth, all powered by apps.You will discover:✅ How to scale an Android app using Google Ads and ASO✅ Why most indie developers fail with Google Ads and how to fix it✅ How to launch AI-powered apps without a big team✅ Her early-stage growth strategy: from $0 to $200K+ using only AdMobLearn More:Connect with her:https://www.linkedin.com/in/fatemeh-vahdatpour/ Work with us: https://www.appmasters.comIndie App Santa: https://www.indieappsanta.comGet training, coaching, and community: ⁠https://appmastersacademy.com/*********************************************SPONSORSArcads is the fastest and best indie-friendly platform to create authentic, AI-powered UGC-style video ads — all from just text input.- Emotionally resonant, human-like videos- Perfect for app demos, testimonials, and paid social creatives- Built for speed, built to convertWhether you're launching or scaling, Arcads makes it easy to test and iterate video ads.Try it now: https://www.arcads.ai/?comet_custom=appmasters*********************************************Everyone's talking about web2app funnels - the breakthrough strategy maximizing mobile revenue. But building them in-house takes months of development. web2wave eliminates the complexity with their innovative all-in-one platform✅ AI funnel generator✅ powerful drag-and-drop quiz builder✅ streamlined payments✅ comprehensive analytics✅ smart A/B testing✅ and moreLaunch high-performing web2app funnels in days, not months.Visit https://web2wave.com/ to create your web2app funnel for free.*********************************************Follow us:YouTube: ⁠AppMasters.com/YouTube⁠Instagram: ⁠@App MastersTwitter: ⁠@App MastersTikTok: ⁠@stevepyoung⁠Facebook: ⁠App Masters⁠*********************************************

26 Jul 1h 11min

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