A Conversation with Scott Turow, Author of Presumed Guilty
Murder Sheet14 Jan 2025

A Conversation with Scott Turow, Author of Presumed Guilty

Here at the Murder Sheet, we are huge fans of the author Scott Turow. His first novel. Presumed Innocent, came out back in 1987 and introduced readers to the lawyers of Kindle County. In the years since, Turow published many more novels- rich and gripping legal thrillers, each one well worth reading.

Even if you haven't read any of his books, you still may have met some of his characters. Presumed Innocent was made into a successful movie starring Harrison Ford and- just last year- was also adapted into a television series on Apple Plus. That story focused on Rusty Sabich- who was facing a murder trial for the death of his lover.

Turow returns to Rusty's story in his latest novel, Presumed Guilty- and you don't need to have read any earlier novel in order to appreciate it. Now a much older Rusty has settled down in a rural part of his state. He seems to have found true love. But there's a pretty big complication- the African American son of Rusty's partner is charged with murdering his girlfriend-- and he wants Rusty to defend him in court.

Scott was kind enough to take the time to talk with us about the new novel. the stresses of trial work and how a prosecutor knows when he's ready to move into criminal defense.

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The Cheat Sheet: Incompetence and Intelligence

The Cheat Sheet: Incompetence and Intelligence

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, Kentucky, Connecticut, and California.Abacus News’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://abacusnews.com/when-a-chatbot-became-a-confidant-the-ai-lawsuit-after-a-murder-suicide/The Wall Street Journal’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/chatgpt-and-a-murder-suicide-in-connecticut/959368a9-3421-43f8-8e72-019762a90b9c?mod=WSJvidctr_upnext_pos0&gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqf70JjMqyNALv4YwKMKYcrtadR9WVwJgnCT-FLovBeL1jhCdzQS1xEFIPq31o0%3D&gaa_ts=6942de8c&gaa_sig=qfJFIe8q57QOSz38xHcSLDz8REHwZPecfQ3o7NvbHV3GNEZqA2r1Hz0E-YeoRA0zmGlRj7w_ruseicctv8_FNA%3D%3DThe New York Post’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://nypost.com/2025/12/11/us-news/chatgpt-chatbots-shocking-response-to-alleged-role-in-murder-suicide/The Guardian’s report on the crimes of true-crime-producer-turned-fugitive Mary Carole McDonnell: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/14/fbi-most-wanted-list-true-crime-tv-producerWKYT’s report on Jacob Lee Bard’s arrest in the death of De’Jon Fox Jr.: https://www.wkyt.com/2025/12/16/case-against-man-accused-ksu-shooting-sent-grand-jury-new-details-emerge/Lex-18’s report on Jacob Lee Bard’s arrest in the death of De’Jon Fox Jr.: https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/man-charged-in-connection-to-deadly-ksu-shooting-set-to-appear-in-courtFox 59’s coverage of the delay in the case against Carl Boards for the murder of Officer Noah Shahnavaz: https://fox59.com/news/family-of-slain-elwood-police-officer-says-delay-in-suspects-trial-reopens-the-wound/Dispatch audio of Officer Noah Shahnavaz’s final call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8dc5_5ISDsFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

26 Des 20251h 9min

The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu: The Evidence

The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu: The Evidence

Let's sit down and sift through the evidence in the murder of Scott Macklem. We will also read some communications we recently received from Temujin Kensu. Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

25 Des 20252h 55min

Policing Across the Pond: The Differences Between Law Enforcement in the United States and the United Kingdom

Policing Across the Pond: The Differences Between Law Enforcement in the United States and the United Kingdom

We spoke to a former police officer who lives in Britain in the United Kingdom about the differences between policing in the United States and the United Kingdom.Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

23 Des 202558min

The Cheat Sheet: Sentences and Sledgehammers

The Cheat Sheet: Sentences and Sledgehammers

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, Minnesota, and Colorado.WTHR’s coverage of the recent plea deal of Ryan Smith, the case of Toni McClure, and the murder of Kinsleigh Welty: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/change-of-plea-hearing-scheduled-indianapolis-man-charged-5-year-olds-death-kinsleigh-welty-ryan-smith-toni-mcclure-tammy-halsey/531-1c9cdb24-9a92-4d7c-848c-794efd6999ceThe Dassel-Cokato Enterprise Dispatch’s coverage of the murder of Amber Czech and the case against David Bruce Delong: https://www.dasselcokato.com/articles/featured-stories-enterprisedispatch/amber-czech-20-killed-in-workplace-attack-david-delong-charged-with-second-degree-murder-grand-jury-review-pending/FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul’s coverage of the murder of Amber Czech and the case against David Bruce Delong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHEaV-HsTkKKTV’s coverage of the cases of Robert Hunt and Aaron Weston and the murder of Eddie Wilson: https://www.kktv.com/2025/12/10/my-first-memory-him-was-his-funeral-murder-conviction-vacated-15-years-after-death-colorado-springs-father/The Colorado Court of Appeals on the case of Robert Hunt and the murder of Eddie Wilson: https://cases.justia.com/colorado/court-of-appeals/2016-15ca0080.pdf?ts=1466089558WRTV’s report on Sarah Jo Pender’s conviction and the recent pivot from Marion County Deputy Prosecutor Larry Sells: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/crime/he-once-called-her-the-female-charles-manson-now-this-prosecutor-believes-sarah-jo-pender-deserves-freedomWRTV’s report on Sarah Jo Pender’s case and the murders of Andrew Cataldi and Tricia Nordman: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/convicted-double-murderer-begs-judge-for-mercy-amid-sentence-modification-hearingFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

19 Des 20251h 10min

The Delphi Murders: The Appeal

The Delphi Murders: The Appeal

The appeal in the Delphi case is here.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

18 Des 20251h 10min

The Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack

The Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack

Terrorists killed 15 people near Bondi Beach in Australia. In this episode, we spoke to an Australian listener about her country's history of gun control laws, differences been gun culture in the United States and Australia, and what this tragedy means for Australia. NBC’s report on the victims of the Bondi Beach attack: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/australia/bondi-beach-shooting-victims-australia-hanukkah-attack-rcna249203The Guardian's detailed report of the timeline of the Bondi Beach attack: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/15/a-visual-guide-to-the-bondi-beach-terror-attackThe Washington Post's article on the Brown University shooting victims Ella Cook and Mukhammad Aziz Umurzokov: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/12/15/brown-university-shooting-victims/Pew Research's data on 2023 gun homicides: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/Forbes's article detailing the Australian Institute of Criminology's gun homicide statistics: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2025/12/14/the-gun-murder-rate-in-australia-where-15-were-slain-at-bondi-beach-is-6000-lower-than-in-us/Gallup data on views in the United States toward gun control: https://news.gallup.com/poll/513623/majority-continues-favor-stricter-gun-laws.aspxUnited Nations data on intentional homicide: https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victimFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

17 Des 202552min

The Future of Crime Solving: A Conversation with Former Naval Criminal Investigative Service Agent Joe Kennedy on Cold Cases, Deployments, and Working for NCIS

The Future of Crime Solving: A Conversation with Former Naval Criminal Investigative Service Agent Joe Kennedy on Cold Cases, Deployments, and Working for NCIS

Joe Kennedy was a longtime agent for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, or the NCIS. The NCIS is tasked with investigating criminal activities involving the United States Navy and the Marine Corps. So he investigated cases all around the world. Today, Joe works with the Carolina Cold Case Consortium and is devoted to helping solve cold cases. He is also working with eSleuth.This interview is part of our new occasional recurring segment, the Future of Crime Solving. It’s a series where we will talk to different figures associated with eSleuth AI. eSleuth AI offers a suite of new tools crafted to help eliminate backlogs and get cases solved — cold and otherwise. It employs artificial intelligence and machine learning technology, and its systems are Federal Bureau of Investigation Criminal Justice Information System compliant. To help convince law enforcement departments around the country that eSleuth is the future of crime solving, the company is working with an impressive array of former law enforcement officials. And they’re willing to talk to us. If you're a law enforcement official curious about eSleuth AI, email Scot at sthomasson@esleuth.ai or check out their website at: https://www.esleuth.ai/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.We’re true crime people, so we all double check the house before bed — locks on doors, locked windows, nobody skulking outside or in the basement, the works. That’s part of our routine. But we also know we have a home security system that can help prevent crimes before they even happen.Simplisafe is a home security system that stops intruders before they even break in. We trust them with our home, with our peace of mind. Their AI-powered cameras lock onto threats outside of your home. If an intruder approaches, their live agents don’t just sit around. They get on there and confront the person. They sound alarms. Flash lights. Let them know the police are on the way. That way, you can protect your home and stop crime in its tracks. We’ve been loyal Simplisafe fans for years. We love the flexibility. The lack of contracts and fees. We love that it’s great for renters and homeowners. We love that it’s been named one of the “Best Home Security Systems” by U.S. News & World Report for five years in a row. It’s a great service and it makes us feel safe. So protect your home with SimpliSafe and get 50% off any new system for a limited time. Just go to SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET. That’s SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

16 Des 202551min

The Cheat Sheet: Babies and Boats

The Cheat Sheet: Babies and Boats

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from California, Indiana, and New York.And check out Kindle's Deal of the Day! For December 12, 2025 only, you can get an ebook of our book Shadow of the Bridge for only $1.99.Source: Fox 10 News on the murder of Tanya Jackson and her baby daughter Tatiana Marie Dykes: https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/12/08/florida-man-charged-1997-killing-mobile-woman-once-thought-linked-gilgo-beach-murders/The New York Post on the murder of Susan Leeds by Cherie Townsend: https://nypost.com/2025/12/09/us-news/california-mom-cherie-townsend-convicted-of-killing-66-year-old-retired-nurse-in-botched-robbery-to-fund-daughters-cheerleading-trip/CBS on the murder of Susan Leeds by Cherie Townsend: https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/woman-convicted-of-killing-retired-nurse-in-rolling-hills-mall-parking-lot/People on the homicide of Michael Virgil: https://people.com/michael-virgil-fiancee-files-suit-against-cruise-company-after-death-11864285CBS on the homicide of Michael Virgil: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-virgil-royal-caribbean-alcohol-death-lawsuit-california/Forensic Resources on homicide: https://forensicresources.org/2019/homicide-manner-of-death-vs-legal-conclusion/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.It’s 2026. Time for a wardrobe refresh. Time for some pieces that will help you beat the chilly temperatures.Time to go to Quince. This is a brand that specializes in luxury goods for less. They make deals with ethical artisans to get you the best in clothing, home goods, and travel items for so much less. So that means you can get luxe on a budget.We’ve gotten so many of their items. We love Quince. Their items are sharp, timeless, and well-crafted. Mongolian cashmere sweaters. Leather and suedge outerwear. Down jackets. Wool coats. Everything you need for winter. I love my Quince clothes. They’ve all held up great and I find myself wearing them a lot. They’ve been my go-tos this winter, from my three Mongolian cashmere sweaters, including a fisherman crewneck sweater in ivory that I love. My latest finds are a 100% washable silk mini skirt to pair with that sweater and a bunch of my other tops. I love finding staples I can wear again and again at Quince.And of course, Aine’s added to her beret collection with yet another beret in a new color! Can’t wait for her to wear that. We are sure you’ll love Quince. It’s great for building up your own style and clothing options this winter, without going broke. These are excellent products for a fraction of the price. Refresh your winter wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince dot com slash msheet for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash msheet. Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince dot com slash msheet.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

12 Des 20251h 6min

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