A Conversation with Scott Turow, Author of Presumed Guilty

We spoke with Monia Ali, author of the Fandom Exile Substack, about how true crime is becoming more and more like a fandom. We talked about the difference between stans and fans, how fandoms go bad, and how we can all combat toxicity in true crime.In new segment, True Crime Wave, we’ll be talking about issues endemic to true crime. At its best, true crime offers the audience a way to learn about stories of crime, social issues, legal realities, and the real human beings at the heart of cases. It can be educational and compassionate and cathartic and thoughtful and incisive, and it can help raise awareness of cases. Good true crime can show case all kinds of different perspectives. It can center journalism, advocacy, legal analysis, investigative approaches, the experiences of survivors or victims’ families, and more. That is all very good. But too often, we see true crime devolve. We have seen online mobs, harassment, conspiracy theories, ethics-washing, and more. True crime won’t get better on its own. We think talking about these things will help. Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

11 Des 20251h 28min

Steve Kramer has dedicated his career to law enforcement. First, he served as a deputy county attorney, prosecuting cases for the Maricopa County Attorney's Office in Phoenix, Arizona. Then he went to work for the Federal Bureau of Investigation as in-house counsel.Today, he will talk to us about his involvement in solving cases like the Golden State Killer and the 1991 Austin yogurt shop murders.Check out Indago here: https://www.indago.ai/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.If you’re like me, you’re so into true crime that you get extra careful about stuff. Making sure you’re not followed. Staying situationally aware. And of course, checking the locks on your doors and windows before bed. Better safe than sorry, right? Because we all know bad stuff can and does happen.Well, our sponsor can help with your peace of mind. We’ve trusted Simplisafe’s home security system for years. Traditional home security systems don’t cut it. They only go off after someone’s breaking in. They’re purely reactive. Simplisafe is proactive. Their AI-powered cameras detect threats while they’re still outside. That’s when live monitoring agents jump in. They can address the intruder, tell them they’re on camera and the police are coming. They can set off alarms and sirens!We love Simplisafe. We used it when we were renters. We used it when we bought our home. It’s so easy to set up and allows you so much flexibility. It’s reliable. We’ve gotten threats over our reporting before, so we take this stuff seriously. We feel like we’re in great hands. So protect your home with SimpliSafe and get 50% off any new system for a limited time. Just go to SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET. That’s SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

9 Des 20251h 10min

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Alaska, Illinois, Michigan, and Missouri.9 and 10 News on the murder of Rebecca Park and her baby and the arrest of Cortney Bartholomew and Bradley Bartholomew: https://www.9and10news.com/2025/12/03/biological-mother-spouse-face-murder-and-torture-charges-in-rebecca-park-case/ABC News on the murder of Rebecca Park and her baby and the arrest of Cortney Bartholomew and Bradley Bartholomew: https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-members-charged-death-pregnant-woman-michigan/story?id=128069205CBS 4 Local’s report on the murder of Rebecca Park and her baby and the arrest of Cortney Bartholomew and Bradley Bartholomew: https://cbs4local.com/news/nation-world/parents-of-murdered-rebecca-park-accused-cutting-baby-out-of-womb-prosecutor-says-wexford-county-michigan-brad-cortney-bartholomewPatch’s coverage of the recent attempted murder case involving Aneta Marsek: https://patch.com/illinois/crystallake/woman-who-once-sparked-nationwide-missing-persons-case-now-sentenced-shootingThe McHenry County State’s Attorney’s press release on the outcome of the attempted murder case involving Aneta Marsek: https://www.mchenrycountyil.gov/Home/Components/News/News/18490/We also looked at the Reedsburg Times-Press and Northwest Herald via Newspapers.com.The Alaska Beacon’s reporting on the case of Brian Hall and the murders of Mickey Dinsmore and Stanley Honeycutt: https://alaskabeacon.com/2025/12/03/alaska-court-of-appeals-upholds-1995-murder-conviction-despite-key-witness-reversing-testimony/BBC's coverage of Judge Matthew EP Thornhill: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yq3g7lqgqoCBS's coverage of Judge Matthew EP Thornhill: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-judge-elvis-presley-wig-music-court-stepping-down/Fox 2 Now's coverage of Judge Matthew EP Thornhill: https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-charles-county-judge-who-wore-elvis-wig-talked-politics-in-court-to-resign/The Associated Press's coverage of Judge Matthew EP Thornhill: https://apnews.com/article/missouri-elvis-wig-judge-matthew-thornhill-ac85ac95a5dd942ea87f688fda75b758STLPR's coverage of Judge Matthew EP Thornhill: https://www.stlpr.org/show/st-louis-on-the-air/2025-11-26/st-charles-judge-wearing-elvis-outfitFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.It’s a new year. 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5 Des 20251h 8min

On February 13, 2017, a man named Richard Allen murdered two girls, 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams in Delphi, in Carroll County. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland and his team, Stacey Diener and James Luttrull, prosecuted him. Allen’s defense team consisted of lead counsel Brad Rozzi, Jennifer Auger, and Andrew Baldwin.That defense team established a consistent pattern of engaging in baseless personal attacks on prosecutors and detectives throughout their representation, and also put forward a flimsy theory of the case centering an alleged Norse pagan cult. Allen was convicted on November 11, 2024 by a jury of his peers.The Murder Sheet can now exclusively report that Baldwin filed a ridiculous complaint against McLeland this past summer with Indiana’s Disciplinary Commission, a body tasked with disciplinary complaints against lawyers. Baldwin's complaint was dismissed on its face. Now McLeland will weigh in on the whole situation. Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

3 Des 202539min

On February 13, 2017, a man named Richard Allen murdered two girls, 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams in Delphi, in Carroll County. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland and his team, Stacey Diener and James Luttrull, prosecuted him. Allen’s defense team consisted of lead counsel Brad Rozzi, Jennifer Auger, and Andrew Baldwin.That defense team established a consistent pattern of engaging in baseless personal attacks on prosecutors and detectives throughout their representation, and also put forward a flimsy theory of the case centering an alleged Norse pagan cult. Allen was convicted on November 11, 2024 by a jury of his peers.The Murder Sheet can now exclusively report that Baldwin filed a ridiculous complaint against McLeland this past summer with Indiana’s Disciplinary Commission, a body tasked with disciplinary complaints against lawyers. We will continue talking about Baldwin's frivolous complaint here, and get into the similarly ridiculous complaints we received. Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

3 Des 20251h 8min

On February 13, 2017, a man named Richard Allen murdered two girls, 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams in Delphi, in Carroll County. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland and his team, Stacey Diener and James Luttrull, prosecuted him. Allen’s defense team consisted of lead counsel Brad Rozzi, Jennifer Auger, and Andrew Baldwin. That defense team established a consistent pattern of engaging in baseless personal attacks on prosecutors and detectives throughout their representation, and also put forward a flimsy theory of the case centering an alleged Norse pagan cult. Allen was convicted on November 11, 2024 by a jury of his peers. The Murder Sheet can now exclusively report that Baldwin filed a ridiculous complaint against McLeland this past summer with Indiana’s Disciplinary Commission, a body tasked with disciplinary complaints against lawyers. Baldwin's complaint was dismissed on its face. But we can now share that this was not the only frivolous complaint filed regarding the Delphi murders — we got one too.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

3 Des 202558min

Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon has corresponded with some of the most infamous killers in United States history.That habit started long before he became a distinguished forensic psychologist, an expert on what makes killers tick.In his new book, That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers, Jeff delves into his correspondence with infamous killers and figures like Charles Manson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and more.Get Jeff's book That Beast Was Not Me here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/that-beast-was-not-me-one-forensic-psychologist-five-decades-of-conversations-with-killers-jeffrey-l-smalldon/a4e8236eb8ace300?ean=9798986512488&next=tOr here, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/That-Beast-Was-Not-Conversations-ebook/dp/B0D6WPF17HCheck out Jeffrey Smalldon's email and newsletter here: https://jeffreysmalldon.com/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

2 Des 20251h 8min

On November 13, 2013, 78-years-old Joseph Gatto was discovered dead in his home in the Silver Lake community of Los Angeles, California. The grandfather and artist had been shot in the abdomen.His son Mike served for years in the California State Assembly. But after that day, Mike became immersed in the investigation into his father's murder. Today, the case remains unsolved. But Mike has revealed inside information on the case in his new book, Noir by Necessity: How My Father's Unsolved Murder Took Me to Dark Places.The book is a necessary look into the agony and confusion that victims' loved ones go through, as well as an incisive look at this case and what went wrong with the investigation.By Noir by Necessity: How My Father's Unsolved Murder Took Me to Dark Places here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/noir-by-necessity-how-my-father-s-unsolved-murder-took-me-to-dark-places-mike-gatto/bf053885905d2be2?ean=9781685133818&next=tOr get it here, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Noir-Necessity-Fathers-Unsolved-Murder/dp/1685133819Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

30 Nov 202546min