A Conversation with Alastair Paterson from Harmonic Security

A Conversation with Alastair Paterson from Harmonic Security

In this conversation, I speak with Alastair Paterson, CEO and co-founder of Harmonic Security.

We talk about:

Harmonic Security’s Unique Approach to AI Data Protection:

How Harmonic Security’s Zero-Touch Data Protection uses small language models to identify and prevent sensitive data leaks, differentiating it from traditional DLP solutions.

Challenges of AI Adoption & Enterprise Security Risks:

How enterprises are struggling to adopt Generative AI safely, as employees unknowingly expose sensitive data. The risks of shadow AI usage, and why visibility into AI applications is essential for organizations.

Harmonic’s Browser-Based Solution for Secure AI Adoption:

How Harmonic Security’s browser-based extension provides real-time monitoring and intervention, allowing enterprises to track AI adoption, prevent data leaks, and enforce security policies without disrupting productivity.

➡️ Get a DEMO and Take Advantage of Harmonic's GenAI Securely

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➡️ Check out Harmonic's Data leakage report "From Payrolls to Patents"
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00 Intro
00:12 Guest Introduction - Alistair and Harmonic Security
01:16 Background on Digital Shadows and Transition to Harmonic Security
02:50 The Impact of ChatGPT and Generative AI on Security
04:35 The Problem with AI Data Leakage and Enterprise Risks
06:20 The Evolution of Data Protection: From DLP to AI Readiness
08:45 The Challenge of Shadow AI in Enterprises
10:30 Understanding Harmonic Security's Zero-Touch Data Protection
12:15 How Harmonic Security Works - Browser Extension Overview
14:40 Detecting Sensitive Data in AI Prompts
16:50 Live Demo - Preventing Data Leaks in AI Chatbots
19:35 Visibility and Monitoring of AI Usage Across the Enterprise
22:10 Risk Classification and Training Data Considerations
24:05 Policy Enforcement and Customization Options
26:30 Future Developments - Expanding Coverage Beyond AI Apps
28:15 Final Thoughts and Where to Learn More

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A Conversation With Sarit Tager from Prisma Cloud

A Conversation With Sarit Tager from Prisma Cloud

➡ Prevent Risk At The Source with Cortex Cloud: https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/cortex/cloud/application-security In this sponsored conversation, I speak with Sarit Tager, VP of Product Management at Palo Alto Networks, about how Prisma Cloud and their new ASPM solution are transforming cloud and application security by unifying data and deeply integrating business context into AppSec workflows. We talk about: Unifying AppSec, Cloud, and SOC into One Data Lake How Palo Alto merged their products into a single system that consolidates runtime, code, identity, cloud, and SOC data, allowing for true context-aware risk prioritization and faster response times across the board. From Detection to Dynamic Prevention Why the future of application security isn’t just about discovering vulnerabilities, but enforcing smart, context-based guardrails during development, CI/CD, and build processes to prevent issues before they reach production. AI-Powered Insight and the Future of Secure DevOpsHow their system uses AI to analyze the full security posture, enrich findings, simulate attack paths, and recommend precise mitigations. The platform even helps guide security and engineering teams through better workflows, boosting velocity, and not blocking it. Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler Chapters: 00:00 – Sarit’s Background and the Goal of Unifying Security Context01:50 – Building a Single Data Lake for Cloud, SOC, and AppSec04:28 – From Noise to Clarity: Fixing the Prioritization Problem in AppSec06:47 – Using Business Context to Drive Risk-Based Decisions10:18 – True App Ownership, Developer Velocity, and Aligning with Business Impact13:12 – Continuous Discovery and Bringing External Signals Into One View15:25 – Why App Grouping and Context-Rich Policies Increase Velocity17:58 – How Attackers Are Already Building Their Own Unified Context (UEC)20:45 – Prisma’s Control Points: IDE, PR, CI/CD, Image, Admission Control21:56 – Bringing In Data From External Scanners and Enriching Coverage24:23 – Ecosystem Signals, Query Language, and Intelligent Workflow Automation25:05 – Closing Thoughts: Security and Developers Working TogetherBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

29 Jul 25min

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17 Jul 22min

UL NO. 488: STANDARD EDITION | Google Granting Confusing Access to Gemini, A New Favorite Creator, Russia's new Autonomous Drones, Claude Code Madness and Neovim Config, and more...

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UL NO. 488: STANDARD EDITION | Google Granting Confusing Access to Gemini, A New Favorite Creator, Russia's new Autonomous Drones, Claude Code Madness and Neovim Config, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-488 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

10 Jul 30min

UL NO. 487: STANDARD EDITION: Iranian Critical Infra Attacks, Insane Recent Productivity, A Chinese Mosquito Drone, Marcus's Response to Our AI Debate, "Context Engineering" Ain't It, and more...

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2 Jul 41min

An AI Debate with Marcus Hutchins

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Marcus and I debate AIs capabilities from nearly polar opposite ends. He thinks it's basically autocomplete, and I think it's the most important tech we've ever built as humans. It was a fantastic, and very civil conversation, so thanks to Marcus for that, and we're already planning on Part 2. This two-hour discussion covers: 🧠 The real risks of AI vs. the imagined ones🔐 How security researchers view AI's capabilities🤖 The blurry line between useful and dangerous automation ⚖️ Bias, alignment, and who gets to control intelligence 📉 Whether AI might ultimately collapse under its own complexity Marcus Hutchins is best known for stopping the WannaCry ransomware attack and brings a sharp, skeptical perspective to AI. Marcus' Website: https://marcushutchins.com Watch the interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/I9-iD_rLRjA Subscribe to the UL newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler Follow Marcus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malwaretech/Become a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

26 Jun 2h

UL NO. 486 STANDARD EDITION: Fully Automated AI Malware (Binary and Web), My Debate with Marcus Hutchins on AI and more

UL NO. 486 STANDARD EDITION: Fully Automated AI Malware (Binary and Web), My Debate with Marcus Hutchins on AI and more

UL NO. 486: STANDARD EDITION: Fully Automated AI Malware (Binary and Web), My Debate with Marcus Hutchins on AI, The 'Did You Notice?' Psyop, The METR AI Metric for Longterm Tasks, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-486 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

26 Jun 55min

UL NO. 485: STANDARD EDITION: Netflix RCE, My Current AI Stack, All-in on Claude Code, and more...

UL NO. 485: STANDARD EDITION: Netflix RCE, My Current AI Stack, All-in on Claude Code, and more...

STANDARD EDITION: Netflix RCE, My Current AI Stack, All-in on Claude Code, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-485 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

19 Jun 36min

UL NO. 484: STANDARD EDITION: OpenAI's Malicious AI Report, Disappointed with WWDC, AI's First Actual Science Breakthrough, and more...

UL NO. 484: STANDARD EDITION: OpenAI's Malicious AI Report, Disappointed with WWDC, AI's First Actual Science Breakthrough, and more...

UL NO. 484: STANDARD EDITION: OpenAI's Malicious AI Report, Disappointed with WWDC, AI's First Actual Science Breakthrough, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-484 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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