Breaking Up with Capitalism w/ Malaika Jabali

As socialists in the United States one of our most important tasks—at least under our current material conditions—is to raise class consciousness among the mass of people: the basic work of tuning people in to the existence of structures and systems that define and limit our lives.

As much as we on the left might take these things for granted, it's always important to remember that many, many folks out there don't think of the world in terms of socialism, capitalism, Marx, Engels—certainly not the relations of production under monopoly capitalism. But that doesn't mean they don't get it. If you live under capitalism, you get it. If not theoretically or in terms of political analysis, you get it because you might hate your boss, or your landlord, or you might wish you could spend more of your day watching your kids grow up, or you might have had to skip a pill here or there because you couldn't afford refills from the pharmacy. Most people get it. They just might not have an ideological framework within which to situate their frustration, their anger, their sadness, their hopelessness.

So, in light of this, sometimes it's helpful for us to frame issues of anti-capitalism and socialism in ways that are easily relatable and accessible. This is what our guest in today's episode has accomplished in her latest book, which uses relationship analogies to provide you with everything you need to know about what a healthy relationship with our political economy could actually look like, issue by issue—from healthcare and housing to the whole concept of American democracy. Malaika Jabali is an award-winning journalist, policy attorney, life-long socialist, and author of the book, It's Not You, It's Capitalism: Why It's Time to Break Up and How to Move On. In this conversation we have a wide-ranging discussion about raising class consciousness, Malaika's organizing work in the midwest and the deep south, what different visions of socialism look like, and why it's not too late to break up with your toxic partner and begin a new, thriving relationship with your new boo: socialism.

Further resources:

• It's Not You, It's Capitalism by Malaika Jabali
• Malaika Jabali

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Worker Co-ops Pt. 1: Widening Spheres of Democracy
• Upstream: Worker Co-ops Pt 2: Islands Within a Sea of Capitalism

Intermission music: "Cost of Living" by Mom Friend

Cover artwork: Kayla E.

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