Episode 162: "Ion" – On Socratic Dialogue and Reading Plato

Welcome to this week's episode of The Literary Life Podcast with Angelina Stanford, Cindy Rollins, and Thomas Banks. This week our hosts share their discussion of Plato's Ion. This episode serves as an introduction on how to read Plato as well as an opportunity to consider what Socratic dialogue is and is not. Thomas gives some background on Plato as a person as well as his writing of dialogues. Angelina shares her thoughts on why the term "Socratic method" as it is used today is not actually a good teaching technique.

In talking about the text of Ion, Thomas explains what a "rhapsode" is and lets us know that this piece of dialogue is supposed to be humorous, rather satirical in nature. Another background topic related to the conversation is the ancient idea of atheism in contrast to our modern definition. To wrap up, Thomas gives a few suggestions for continuing your reading of Plato.

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Commonplace Quotes:

The job of a Christian parent is not to produce godly children. The job of the Christian parent is to be a godly parent.

Christopher Yuan

A few people have ventured to imitate Shakespeare's tragedy. But no audacious spirit has dreamed or dared to imitate Shakespeare's comedy. No one has made any real attempt to recover the loves and the laughter of Elizabethan England. The low dark arches, the low strong pillars upon which Shakespeare's temple rests we can all explore and handle. We can all get into his mere tragedy; we can all explore his dungeon and penetrate into his coal-cellar; but we stretch our hands and crane our necks in vain towards that height where the tall turrets of his levity are tossed towards the sky. Perhaps it is right that this should be so; properly understood, comedy is an even grander thing than tragedy.

G. K. Chesterton, from Illustrated London News, April 27, 1907

Nothing stands still for us. This is our normal state, albeit the one most contrary to our proper inclination

Blaise Pascal The Fall of a Soul

by John Addington Symonds

I sat unsphering Plato ere I slept:
Then through my dream the choir of gods was borne,
Swift as the wind and splendid as the morn,
Fronting the night of stars; behind them swept
Tempestuous darkness o'er a drear descent,
Wherein I saw a crowd of charioteers
Urging their giddy steeds with cries and cheers,
To join the choir that aye before them went:
But one there was who fell, with broken car
And horses swooning down the gulf of gloom;
Heavenward his eyes, though prescient of their doom,
Reflected glory like a falling star,
While with wild hair blown back and listless hands
Ruining he sank toward undiscover'd lands.

Books Mentioned:

Phaedrus by Plato

Othello by William Shakespeare

Out of a Far Country by Angela Yuan and Christopher Yuan

The Soul of Wit by G. K. Chesterton, edited by Dale Ahlquist

Pensées by Blaise Pascal

Five Dialogues by Plato

Selected Myths by Plato

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