Mike McCormick: AI Acceleration vs Risks, Funding Global Resilience, AGI scenarios, U.S. vs China

Mike McCormick: AI Acceleration vs Risks, Funding Global Resilience, AGI scenarios, U.S. vs China

Join Tommy Shaughnessy as he speaks with Mike McCormick, founder of Halcyon, about the urgent intersection of AI acceleration and safety. Mike shares his path from venture capital to launching a hybrid nonprofit–fund model focused on securing advanced AI systems. They dive into mechanistic interpretability, global competition for AGI, and what a safe superintelligence future could look like. Can we build superintelligence safely? How do we balance innovation with existential risk? And what happens to humanity when AGI arrives?


Halcyon Futures: https://halcyonfutures.org



🎯 Key Highlights


▸ Leaving VC to focus entirely on AI safety and security

▸ Why Halcyon flipped the model: nonprofit first, fund second

▸ Multi-layered “defense in depth” approach to AI biosecurity & cyber risk

▸ The acceleration vs. safety debate — finding middle ground

▸ Good Fire case: career grants into interpretability research

▸ The 2×2 dilemma — speed vs. slowdown, centralization vs. decentralization

▸ U.S.–China dynamics and fast takeoff scenarios

▸ AI underwriting: how insurance can drive safety standards

▸ Founder-market fit and mission orientation in AI startups

▸ Risk, diffusion, and the uncertain path to AGI



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🧠 Follow the Alpha


▸ Mike's Twitter: @MikeMcCormick_

▸ Halcyon's Twitter: @HalcyonFutures



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💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/delphi-digital/



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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/62PR1RigLG2YN5Pelq6UY9?si=18ac7ccf36ab4753&nd=1&dlsi=50105fd66e6c4124

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-delphi-podcast/id1438148082

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Yy99ZlQIX9-PdG_xHj43Q



Timestamps


00:00 — Mike’s background & pivot to AI safety

03:00 — The realization: AGI could change everything

05:00 — Why VC wasn’t enough to solve the problem

06:00 — Halcyon’s hybrid model and early mission

08:00 — AI security concerns: misuse, bio, and control

12:00 — Defense in depth: pre-training → deployment

15:00 — The creativity vs. restriction trade-off

17:30 — Pause AI vs. Build Baby Build

20:00 — Speed vs. centralization: the 2×2 framework

24:00 — Good Fire: career grants & interpretability

27:00 — Writing to neurons: alignment and insight

30:00 — How insurance markets can enforce safety

36:00 — Mission-driven founders & conviction filters

44:00 — Geopolitical race: U.S., China, and compute

50:00 — Diffusion limits, adoption, and energy costs

57:00 — Mass unemployment and meaning after AGI

01:05:00 — What “winning” AGI means for humanity

01:12:00 — Critical thinking, sycophantic AI, and engagement traps

01:20:00 — UBI, adaptation, and new work paradigms

01:30:00 — Three AGI futures: scale, shift, or stall

01:36:00 — 20% catastrophic risk & asteroid analogy

01:40:00 — Final message: talent is upstream of everything



Disclaimer


This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast.

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Delphi's Markets Year Ahead 2025

Delphi's Markets Year Ahead 2025

Join Ceteris and the Delphi Research markets team for a comprehensive look into their predictions and analysis for 2025. The discussion covers the dramatic shifts in the crypto landscape throughout 2024, from the impact of Bitcoin ETFs to the rise of meme coins and Solana's remarkable performance. The team explores key themes including the return of market optimism post-election, the evolution of stablecoin adoption and credit markets, and animated debates about the future market dynamics between Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana. With insights from multiple market experts, this episode provides valuable perspective on both the structural and psychological factors shaping crypto markets heading into 2025. 🎯 Key Highlights ▸ Analysis of market dynamics in 2024: ETF impacts, meme coin phenomena, and ecosystem shifts ▸ Deep dive into stablecoin growth and institutional adoption trends ▸ Examination of L1 competition and relative value between BTC, ETH, and SOL ▸ Discussion of regulatory landscape changes and implications for crypto markets ▸ 2025 price predictions and major catalysts ahead 💡 Want to stay updated with the latest in crypto & AI? Hit subscribe and the notification bell! 🔔 🧠 Follow the Alpha ▸ Ceteris' Twitter: @ceterispar1bus ▸ Kevin's Twitter: @kevin_kelly_ii ▸ Jason's Twitter: @3xliquidated ▸ Michael's Twitter: @mrink0 🔗 Connect with Delphi 🌐 Portal: https://delphidigital.io/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/delphi_digital 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/delphi-digital 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/62PR1RigLG2YN5Pelq6UY9?si=18ac7ccf36ab4753 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-delphi-podcast/id1438148082 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Yy99ZlQIX9-PdG_xHj43Q Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction and 2024 Overview 03:27 - ETF Impact and Market Trends 08:13 - ETH Breaking 4k and Market Dynamics 22:26 - Stablecoin Growth and Credit Markets 34:08 - Regulatory Environment Discussion 42:14 - Solana vs Ethereum Analysis 56:51 - 2025 Price Predictions 01:02:00 - Network Value Debate Disclaimer This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token.

10 Des 20241h 10min

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6 Des 20241h 20min

ALMANAK: The Financial agent platform

ALMANAK: The Financial agent platform

Join José Maria Macedo as he dives deep with the Almanak team to explore how AI agents are revolutionizing DeFi and democratizing access to sophisticated trading strategies. 🎯 Key Highlights ▸ The evolution from trading bots to true AI agents with reasoning capabilities ▸ How Almanak's platform enables anyone to build, test, and deploy financial AI agents ▸ Why AI agents could democratize access to sophisticated trading strategies ▸ The intersection of privacy, strategy development, and agent autonomy ▸ Breaking down traditional barriers between alpha creators and capital 💡 Want to stay updated with the latest in crypto & AI? Hit subscribe and the notification bell! 🔔 🧠 Follow the Alpha ▸ José's Twitter: https://x.com/zemariamacedo ▸ Michael's Twitter: https://x.com/MichaelAlmanak ▸ Lars's Twitter: https://x.com/0xLars_ 🔗 Connect with Delphi 🌐 Portal: https://delphidigital.io/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/delphi_digital 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/delphi-digital 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/62PR1RigLG2YN5Pelq6UY9?si=18ac7ccf36ab4753 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-delphi-podcast/id1438148082 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Yy99ZlQIX9-PdG_xHj43Q Timestamps 00:00 - Introductions & Background 03:11 - What is Almanak? 06:16 - Defining True AI Agents 16:47 - Agent Development Lifecycle 29:08 - Target Users & Market 48:26 - Future of Financial Agents 56:03 - Token Economics & Launch Plans Disclaimer This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token.

2 Des 20241h 1min

Crypto x AI Agents: The Definitive Podcast with Ai16z, Virtuals, MyShell, NOUS, and CENTS

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Join Shaw (Ai16z), Karan (Nous Research), Ethan (MyShell), Somewheresy (CENTS), EtherMage (Virtuals) and Delphi's Tom Shaughnessy for an unprecedented roundtable featuring the brightest minds in crypto AI agents, discussing the evolution of autonomous digital beings and the future of human-AI interaction. 🎯 Key Highlights: ▸ The explosive growth of AI agents on social media and their impact on Web3 ▸ How crypto tokenization drives agent development and community engagement ▸ The power of decentralized model training versus centralized AI platforms ▸ Exploring agent autonomy and the path to AGI ▸ The intersection of AI agents with DeFi and social platforms 💡 Want to stay updated with the latest in crypto & AI? Hit subscribe and the notification bell! 🔔 🧠 Follow the Alpha: ▸ Shaw (ai16Z): @shawmakesmagic ▸ Karan (Nous Research): @karan4d ▸ Ethan Sun (MyShell): @ethan_myshell ▸ Somewheresy (CENTS): @somewheresy ▸ EtherMage (Virtuals): @ethermage 🔗 Connect with Delphi: 🌐 Portal: https://delphidigital.io/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/delphi_digital 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/delphi-digital 🎧 Listen on: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/62PR1RigLG2YN5Pelq6UY9?si=18ac7ccf36ab4753 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-delphi-podcast/id1438148082 Timestamps: 00:00 - Introductions and Team Backgrounds 04:29 - Most Innovative Agents Discussion 15:11 - Agent Architecture and Development 27:48 - Testing in Production vs Safety 39:10 - Future of Agent Capabilities 01:01:03 - Alignment and Human Integration 01:25:36 - Industry Predictions and Outlook Disclaimer: This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token.

22 Nov 20241h 43min

Dylan Zhang: Crypto Native AI Models Behind the Future of AI Agents

Dylan Zhang: Crypto Native AI Models Behind the Future of AI Agents

Discover how AI is revolutionizing crypto as Yan Liberman sits down with Dylan Zhang, co-founder of Pond AI, to explore the intersection of AI and blockchain technology. Learn about graph neural networks, dynamic DeFi structures, and the future of decentralized AI infrastructure! 🎯 Key Highlights ▸How Graph Neural Networks (GNNs) differ from Large Language Models (LLMs) ▸The journey from single models to a decentralized model layer ▸Achieving 92% accuracy in detecting malicious behaviors ▸Revolutionary approach to dynamic fee structures in DeFi ▸The future of AI agents and model ownership in crypto 💡 Want to stay updated with the latest in crypto & AI? Hit subscribe and the notification bell! 🔔 🧠 Follow the Alpha ▸ Yan's Twitter: https://x.com/yanliberman ▸ Dylan's Twitter: https://x.com/ThinksDylan 🔗 Connect with Delphi 🌐 Portal: https://delphidigital.io/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/delphi_digital 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/delphi-digital 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/62PR1RigLG2YN5Pelq6UY9?si=18ac7ccf36ab4753 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-delphi-podcast/id1438148082 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Yy99ZlQIX9-PdG_xHj43Q Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction & Crypto Journey 02:44 - DeFi with AI 05:13 - GNNs vs LLMs 15:11 - Platform Evolution 26:42 - AMMs & Dynamic Fees 39:10 - Future Roadmap Disclaimer This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token.

18 Nov 202447min

OLAS: How Multi-Agent Systems Will Shape AI's Future | Crypto x AI Event

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1 Nov 202448min

Mira: Beyond Co-Pilots - Making AI Production-Ready | Crypto x AI Events

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31 Okt 202447min

Going beyond the hype of Crypto x AI: Vapourware or not? | Crypto x AI Event

Going beyond the hype of Crypto x AI: Vapourware or not? | Crypto x AI Event

Are Crypto AI tokens just vapourware? Join Jose Maria Macedo (Delphi) for this high-stakes debate with Kyle Samani (Multicoin Capital) and Emad Mostaque (Stability AI) to explore: - The current state of decentralized GPU marketplaces - The role of data DAOs and IP rights in AI development - Viability of decentralized training and inference - The future of AI agents and identity systems - Which crypto AI verticals show real promise vs hype This candid discussion separates signal from noise in the rapidly growing crypto AI sector, examining where true value creation is happening and which areas may be getting ahead of themselves. "I think we're seeing a weird nexus of crypto hype and AI hype happening at the same time...they're not going through the standard development process." - Emad Mostaque Watch more sessions from Crypto x AI Month here: https://delphidigital.io/crypto-ai --- Crypto x AI Month is the largest virtual event dedicated to the intersection of crypto and AI, featuring 40+ top builders, investors, and practitioners. Over the course of three weeks, this event brings together panels, debates, and discussions with the brightest minds in the space, presented by Delphi Digital. Crypto x AI Month is free and open to everyone thanks to the support from our sponsors: https://olas.network/ https://venice.ai/ https://near.org/ https://mira.foundation/ https://www.theoriq.ai/ --- Follow the Speakers: - José Macedo on Twitter/X ► https://x.com/zemariamacedo - Emad Mostaque on Twitter/X ► https://x.com/emostaque - Kyle Samani on Twitter/X ► https://x.com/kylesamani --- Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Acknowledgments 00:50 Introducing Panel and Debate Setup 01:58 Kyle on GPU Marketplaces and Infrastructure 04:23 Evaluating Different Crypto AI Sectors 06:41 Current State of the Crypto AI Market 10:37 Core Benefits of Crypto for AI Development 14:41 Talent Migration into Crypto AI 20:25 The Mimetic Value of Crypto AI 24:36 Deep Dive: Decentralized GPU Marketplaces 33:13 Game Theory of Open Source AI 41:38 Discussion on Data and Data DAOs 48:40 Private Data and Expert Knowledge 52:11 Rapid Fire: Key Sectors Analysis 54:33 The Future of AI Agents 58:11 Identity and Final Thoughts Disclaimer All statements and/or opinions expressed in this interview are the personal opinions and responsibility of the respective guests, who may personally hold material positions in companies or assets mentioned or discussed. The content does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Delphi Citadel Partners, LLC or its affiliates (collectively, “Delphi Ventures”), which makes no representations or warranties of any kind in connection with the contained subject matter. Delphi Ventures may hold investments in assets or protocols mentioned or discussed in this interview. This content is provided for informational purposes only and should not be misconstrued for investment advice or as a recommendation to purchase or sell any token or to use any protocol.

30 Okt 20241h 3min

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