THE BEEFING: Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs
The Briefing11 Nov 2025

THE BEEFING: Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates built one of the fiercest rivalries in tech history - the battle between Apple and Microsoft. Their competition changed the modern world as we know it, giving us the Macintosh computer, the iPhone and revolutionised the personal computer.

However, the pair share a lot of similarities. They were both college dropouts, both started their companies with a friend and both went on to become billionaires who defined the tech world.

In this episode of The Beefing, Helen Smith unpacks how Jobs and Gates went from working together in the early days to feuding the decades-long debate over who really borrowed ideas from whom.

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Why North Korea is sending troops to fight against Ukraine

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How Queensland's election will impact the rest of Australia

How Queensland's election will impact the rest of Australia

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23 Okt 202413min

Killer Charm: A grandmother, a love quadrangle and a brutal murder

Killer Charm: A grandmother, a love quadrangle and a brutal murder

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22 Okt 202425min

Can we trust US election polls?

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22 Okt 202414min

Is a sports club the last acceptable place for misogyny?

Is a sports club the last acceptable place for misogyny?

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21 Okt 202423min

Women wait longer for the bathroom. The Government wants to change that

Women wait longer for the bathroom. The Government wants to change that

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The real cost behind a cheap bottle of milk

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