Divergent States

Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.


Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.


This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.


No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.


We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.


Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.


Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.


If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.


If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.


New episodes every two weeks.

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Episoder(36)

Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy

Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy

This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — wha...

23 Mai 202550min

Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfilter...

7 Mai 202558min

Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran

Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran

What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut? In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Pr...

24 Apr 202548min

Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms...

10 Apr 20251h 3min

JR Sawyers –  The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere

JR Sawyers – The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere

In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns i...

24 Mar 20251h 6min

The Zendo Project w/Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways

The Zendo Project w/Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways

In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festivals...

13 Mar 20251h 6min

DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom

DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom

In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve hear...

23 Feb 20251h 1min

Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History

Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History

In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate storie...

11 Feb 202547min

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