Growth Mindset Psychology: The Science of Self-Improvement

Mario Nawfal is crazy. But also stupidly successful, intelligent and charming (...and young). At only 30 years old he has several million-dollar businesses and runs the Athena business conglomerate across 40 countries. He is also a serial investor and business coach. Mario lives a nomad lifestyle and somehow finds the time for getting serious with his hobbies. In general, he knows a lot about making the most of life and what it has to offer. We discuss how Mario made his first break and the path to his numerous successes (and failures). We also cover the important life lessons and principles he's learnt along the way as he continuously breaks the mould in the pursuit of an extraordinary life. Mario Website (www.marionawfal.com) Connect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/mario-nawfal/) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25 Nov 20191h 15min

Oren Klaff is a sales genius and investor with 2 bestselling books and a tonne of great ideas.The renowned classic, ‘Pitch Anything’ designed to help you understand how to make a compelling pitch using neuroeconomics. And now his new book, ‘Flip the Script’ which is designed to help you make people think your idea is their idea so they readily accept it.With a wealth of experience from making deals and living a fascinating life, it was an honour to chat through some of his insights. Oren neatly bottles his wisdom in his writing that millions have enjoyed and it was great to find out about the challenges he faced.On the show we discuss his life story, get coached in sales and receive some huge life tips that we should all take on board.OrenConnect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/orenklaff/)Website (https://orenklaff.com/)Pitch Anything (https://pitchanything.com/)Flip the Script (https://orenklaff.com/flip/)ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)TOP TIPSNEEDINESS KILLS DEALSIf you come across as desperate people see that you really want something out of them and it turns them off. Whether we are talking about relationships or business deals do not be needy!LUCK AND HARD WORKThere is not one specific tool for success. You just have to commit to reliable hard work and showing up and putting yourself in a position where you can get lucky. JUST DO THINGSYou don’t learn by reading you learn by doing. There is great content out there to learn stuff but it only has value as a supplement to experience. It means nothing if you just read it and don’t implement it.FRAMESThere are many ways to view the world. Think about how your frame of things doesn’t match reality and in what frame the person you are talking to is thinking. We make crazy assumptions and miss so much stuff. Think about how you can expand your frame.PROVE YOUR SKILLSProve your worth don’t tell your worth. Words are meaningless. People forget the details of anything you do but they remember how you make them feel. You only make someone feel like you are an expert at something by literally doing that thing in front of them, not by talking about it.Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Oren Klaff. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

6 Nov 20191h 12min

Heather Adams is a leading partner at the Arbinger Institute who focus on the 'Outward Mindset'. They coach businesses and leaders to become more effective and more aware of themselves and to achieve greater success.The inward vs outward mindset is a fascinating topic that I wasn't 100% versed on and it was a real pleasure to receive a masterclass from Heather. In the interview, we learn more about what makes relationships work and how to view others. There are so many mistakes humans easily make that our brains trick us into and the outward mindset is a brilliant tool to make you a better human.Heather and The Arbringer InstituteConnect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathergilmartin/)The Arbinger Institute (https://arbingerinstitute.com/)Books by the Arbinger Institute -   (https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/828.The_Arbinger_Institute) Twitter (https://twitter.com/Arbinger)ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset) ## Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Heather Adams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

22 Okt 20191h

Ryan Gottfredson is an innovative researcher and coach in the mindsets behind success and leadership. We discuss his top findings and the key mindsets that make a good leader.The four main Mindsets discussed:Fixed vs. GrowthClosed vs. OpenPrevention vs. PromotionInward vs. OutwardWe also branch into many fascinating topics to end up with a really educational podcast to help make you a lot wiserRyanConnect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangottfredson/)Pre-order Ryans book and find out more about him (www.RyanGottfredson.com)Take the Mindset Assesment (https://ryangottfredson.com/personal-mindset-assessment)ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Ryan Gottfredson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

7 Okt 20191h 41min

Frank Dick is one of the world's finest sports and motivational coaches ever. He is currently working with the England Rugby team during this year's Rugby World Cup.Frank was the England Athletics coach for three Olympics as well as coaching several high profile individuals. Some big names include Boris Becker, Seb Coe, Daley Thompson.He has also worked with the South African Olympic teams and won some prestigious titles such as the 'UK Sporting Hero' for 2001.This episode is an absolute masterclass in coaching yourself or those around you for success. Whether you are in sports or any field creating excellence is something we can all do better. Frank is a true genius in his field and it was an absolute pleasure learning from someone so knowledgeable.FrankConnect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-dick-0b559630/)Website (https://www.frankdick.co.uk/)Twitter (https://twitter.com/frankdickcoach)ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Frank Dick. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

30 Sep 20191h 16min

This episode is an ultimate guide to life and entrepreneurship. After two years of interviewing some of the greatest minds, Sam distils their wisdom into a 2-hour mini-audiobook.This took a long time to put together but is completely worth it. Hear the best tips from some of the most amazing individuals stitched together into a narrative that transcends each chapter.  From fascinating stories of the highest moments to the lowest lows we learn a lot:What to focus on in lifeHow to turn an idea into a businessHow to live life on your termsTake on challengesCreate Deep relationshipsDevelop more joy and kindnessCultivate that Growth MindsetABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)GUESTS FEATUREDMait Muntel, CEO - Lingvist (https://lingvist.com/)Kat Bhat, CEO - Digital Leopard (https://www.digitalleopard.co.uk/)Daniel Murray-Serter, CEO Dawn (https://www.trydawn.co/)Agustin Gonzalez, CEO Paranoid Fan (http://www.paranoidfan.com/)Bryony Thomas, Author and Owner WaterMarketing (https://watertightmarketing.com/)Nicholas Wheeler, Founder - Charles Tyrwhitt (https://www.ctshirts.com/intl/home)Anthony Rose, CEO - SeedLegals (https://seedlegals.com/)Mike Winnet, The UK’s #1 Demotivational Coach (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UComkllJTMHNZr4UNxCThdcw)Igor Volzhanin, CEO - Datasine (https://datasine.com/)Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Sam Harris. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

22 Sep 20191h 55min

Sam Harris breaks down some key lessons on Mastery and Mindsets as a mid-year update for 2019.After a lot of requests to tell listeners what I'm up to I gave in and sat down and talked about myself by using the medium of giving life advice. So I guess this is an episode of Sam coaching Sam and explaining the principles he's using to improve and deal with problems. He also shows you cool opportunities that are available to you to make live more awesome.This is the first episode in a mini-series of advice from Sam that will cover major tips and tools to upgrade how you think.ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)Projects Discussed in the Podcast:Care/Of - Personalised Health and Wellness (https://www.TakeCareOf.com)Use the code 'GrowthMindset' for 25% offA quick 5 min assessment will help you find out the best science backed supplements for your own personal health goals. A super easy system to get a monthly delivery of everything you need. Minimal faff for maximal health.They also have plenty of options for vegans, vegetarians and other diets to keep everyone at their strongest mentally and physically. And they use sustainable packaging to minimise environmental impact.Founders and Coders - Web Development Bootcamp (www.foundersandcoders.com)Possibly the best web development bootcamp on the planet, and it's also free to take. It is focused on learning Javascript and the web and is a peer-learning based system where you give as much as you take. They have campuses in both London and Israel where they accept a limited number of international students.Apply to the next Israel Cohort (http://kavmashve.org.il/en/coding-bootcamps-form/): (closes Aug 8th!)National Park Rescue - Protecting the wildlife and the Environment (https://www.nationalparkrescue.org/)They provide hugely Important work ensuring protection of National Parks and the animals within them by changing things at both a policy level and at a local level. This is helping preserve endangered species such as tigers, elephants and rhinos and preventing destruction of habitats and trees that are keeping the planet alive. Donating to them is an investment in the future of the planet.My interview with Dr Niall McCann is a highly enlightening and inspiring conversation worth checking out if you haven’t already. Listen Here (http://growthmindset.fireside.fm/2019-niall-mccann)Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Sam Harris. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

28 Jul 201942min

Petra Velzeboer is a mental health consultant, executive coach and podcaster. She has a radical 'no BS' approach to mental health and isn't afraid to come out with some hard hitting facts of life. She has a challenging personal story from being raised in a cult which she broke out of to then fall into alcohol abuse and motherhood. Her tale of turning herself around to get her qualifications and become a shining beacon of inspiration and advice to others is amazing. She is a true advocate of the Growth Mindset and an absolute legend. On the show we go through her dark history and the amazing challenges she overcame. But it is not a perfect wonder story and we both reflect on our own current challenges instead of pretending we have arrived at this Nirvana of knowing everything and being happy which too many people pretend. This is a hard hitting episode with lots of insights and tips for really being true to yourself, taking accountability and becoming the person you should be. PetraConnect on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/petra-velzeboer/)Adversity to Advantage Podcast (http://petravelzeboer.com/podcast)Website (http://petravelzeboer.com/)Twitter (https://twitter.com/PetraVelzeboer)ABOUT THE HOSTMy name is Sam Harris. I am a British entrepreneur, investor and explorer. From hitchhiking across Kazakstan to programming AI doctors I am always pushing myself in the spirit of curiosity and Growth. My background is in Biology and Psychology with a passion for improving the world and human behaviour. I have built and sold companies from an early age and love coming up with unique ways to make life more enjoyable and meaningful.Sam:Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/samjamsnaps/)Quora (https://www.quora.com/profile/Sam-Harris-58)Twitter (https://twitter.com/samharristweets)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharris48/)Sam's blog - SamWebsterHarris.com (https://samwebsterharris.com/)Support the Show - Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/growthmindset)TOP TIPSTHE BEST REVENGE IS LIVING A GOOD LIFERevenge isn’t about punishing others or comparing yourself. It is simply about finding happiness and success for yourself regardless.The worst thing you can do is punish yourself as an act of defiance and to hopefully make someone else’s life worse. Look at the bigger picture and don’t caught up in the moment and just seek to improve yourself.YOU CAN TURN ANYTHING AROUNDWith everything in life going against her Petra was able to completely turn her life around by following her interests. She got through one of the worst periods in her life by making one commitment and sticking with it and then adding more things and it turned into the blossoming career she has today.Even your darkest moments can be the inspiration to create a life you loveUSE SPEAKING AGENTSWant to grow your personal brand and do more public speaking. Don’t just do things in halves. List with as many as possible and get yourself out there! They all have different contacts and the more you are with the more bookings you’ll get. BonusGo and meet every agent you might sign with first. Put a face to the name and help them get to know your brand.NOTES1:30 - MENTAL HEALTH CONSULTANT WHAT IS THAT?coaching CEO’s and VPs so it can be coaching but also relationships.Mainly go into companies to help their strategy on a mental health perspective2:40 - Are there any common themes between businessWork with many different business, always humans so fundamentally it is all quite similar3:35 - what are the common mental health problems in startups?Systems and structure that is needed as you scale up often fails. Managers need more empowerment to talk openly and honestly about mental health5:30 - Bigger companies have more issuesOld school companies have more issues due to things being in place for a long time. But as new companies are innovating on best practices older companies are starting to catch up.7:10 - How did you get into this positionWell my success came from 12 years of working super hard in the area.But I started from a weird place of being raised in a religious cult and then suffering from alcohol addiction and abuse. After nearly dying I developed a bit more of a nothing matter attitude so I’m very quick to jump right to the heart of the problem and don’t BS around the topic. I’m happy to confront a CEO with their biggest problem and tell them they’re doing things wrong.I am just facinated in the area and it kind of happened with me following my curiousity and one thing leading to another.9:00 - Have you always been fascinated in mental health problems or did it spark from solving your own problems first?Ironically I was in some of the darkest moments of my own life whilst studying to be a psychotherapist. There was definitely a deep drive to fix my own problems and survive and became addicted to learning.10:00 - So how did you learn the profession exactly?Initially I did a one day a week class whilst I was still an alcoholic and I managed to just about keep it up despite feeling awful the entire day.I then took on a masters degree at night whilst I was working full time and raising my kids. So anyone who puts something off because they don’t have time is lying to themselves.I was really lucky to even get on the course, when I started I didn’t have a plan for how to pay for it but I just took the leap and worked it out as I went along11:20 - How did you deal with addiction and getting out of it?I went to Alcoholics anonymous which definitely saved me and it was essential for the first two years. But it is also really cult-like and I am hyper sensitive to cults after being raised in one so I was happy to leave once I was strong enough. I don’t want to give up my power and control in the long term. In the short term it was great to have people around to talk to and release my problems. It was great to admit I just really needed a drink right now, but once it was out there it suddenly felt easier to deal with.After I was stronger I found AA limiting being around others who were complaining about their problems and needing to drink etc… and was actually unhealthy for me. So I tried to build a network of people that lift me up.13:45 - Sounds like a very mindful process to realise the moments when you need a drink and interveneYes I really needed that ability to call someone when I had an urge. I also really relied on a 3 minute meditation after every urge to stop and think mindfully about why I shouldn’t do it. I must have listened a million times. Any time I had a slight level of cortisol increase I would need it.15:05 - So what does being raised in a cult mean?it sounds black and white but it was all shades of grey. Lots of hippie communes and travelling to events and classes. It has a lot of similarities to organisations as they grow, it takes one toxic person to suddenly change the entire atmosphere.There is a weird brainwashing feedback loop where If you agree with the group you get rewarded and promoted and more privileges. If you try to change the trend at all you are ostracised and told your a bad person. Because you have no money and rely on the group and have nowhere to go you. This reinforces the idea that they are right and if you leave god will punish you.For all my generation in the cult we had major trauma around being unable to build a life outside the cult or knowing what to do18:00 - Did you keep in touch with other members then?It took a few years to be completely isolated from that way of thinking to build my opinions. I really needed a growth mindset to become a different person first to then talk with them all about the experience and how bad it was without feeling like I still needed it. Take responsibility for myself first19:00 - Taking responsibility is always a good step to get out of the victim mindsetI’ve really started to focus on this and so many people that go through worse stuff and find. There is never a good reason to feel like a victim when you can take ownership. This is the point of my podcast20:10 - Breaking through adversity is a really good topic. How did you first select the theme and start the podcast?I guess I was listening to a lot of podcasts and always wanted to be a radio host when I was young. I thought about what I really needed to hear when I was in my problems but also can I satisfy my curiosity and learn at the same time. So even if no-one listens I will still enjoy it.Then the first few episodes really helped me. Since then I’ve good periods and bad periods and learn what works.23:30 - So what were your biggest lessonsI guess it sometimes felt like just work and occasionally even I would be bored. So now I have a priming conversation to get connected and work out their direction and theme we can focus on for the podcast.24:00 - What’s your favourite question to ask people?I like knowing what challenges they are facing now and their general practices. people saying it used to be bad and now it’s perfect is just wrong.25:45 - So what are your big challenges currently?I’m taking on a lot of public speaking which is quite scary and difficult but it’s really helping me grow and it’s a challenge I like to have.I also have two teenagers which I share with my ex-husband half the week. coming to terms with his new wife is not easy.I’m defining my no BS approach to mental health and building a course for it which is also a challenge I’m taking on.27:30 - How about writing a bookI spoke to a publisher and really want to do this also. So I will definitely try and do this.27:50 - How did you start a public speaking careerI hustled a lot. I worked helping kids where I wasn’t needed but I kept on showing up. I took every opportunity to speak at meet ups and and consistently showing up. I made tonnes of mistakes and had things go wrong but I just keep going and it gets better. The world doesn’t end when i mess up on stage and I just carry on. Then I’m really good at finding mentors. If you find people who have done it and ask for help then you can really open up a lot of opportunities. Do what they tell you to do and then they’ll help you more.30:30 - So did you stick with just one agencyDefinitely register on as many as possible. They all have different connections and have different things that work better or worse for your type of content.And go to the agency and show up and show them why your type of content is important and how it can be funny. When they know your personality they know how to sell you.31:00 - Most important tipOne rejection does not mean you are not on the right path, it just means you might not be right for that person or it happens to be the wrong time of the day etc.. Keep on trying and showing up!So many people give up, if you believe just do it anyway31:30 - What do you see in the future of mental health?There will be a framework that companies need to align with to prove they are doing all the right things to ensure good mental health.Companies will be competitive to provide the best mental health.Young people want to work for companies of purpose and have great satisfaction and wellbeing in what they do33:30 - what do you do now for you mental healthI’m trying the 5am club. the victory hour when you start20 mins exercise20 mins goal setting20 mins learningit basically means you are brainwashing yourself to be awesome and gives you and hour away from tech.then again in the evening writing your reflections:3 things I’m grateful for3 things to do that will make today a success3 things i want to be today35:40 - Whats the best advice you’ve been given“The best revenge is living a good life.”Instead of focussing on messing up your life or other peoples this flips it into a positive action to just go and be awesome.Then it also links to my other favourite quote.“It’s all your fault”Everything that happens is down to you. You have control to fix it or not. accept responsibility and then you can change it. Anything that happens now that goes wrong I can take on. People who always blame everything around them are going nowhere.36:45 - What is the kindest thing someone did for you?Ex husband really helped me get through my worst problems at the time. He also presented many other problems but his consistent help was the most incredible thing when I needed it. 37:40 - Most vivid memory from childhoodOne of my family members getting consistently punished in front of everyone and not having a voice to be able to do anything about it. This really forced me to never not have a voice instead, I have always felt like a coward since for not doing something or saying ‘punish me instead’. This has propelled me into having a voice and empowering others to have a voice.38:40 - let’s flip questioning. What scares Sam the most?Getting too comfortable with something that is quite successful and 90% there and seeking a new challenge when you haven’t really made the most of mastering the thing you are doing. You can get panicked by getting by being about to have a clear success which you need to commit to and jump to something else.Existential life worry around women. Any day it isn’t really a problem that affects me and I”m pretty happy doing my thing. But if I just plod through life and get to 90 without every having a wife to share my life with that seems like one of the most important sources of joy I am completely missing out on.41:00 - Time to apply the overnight success philosophy to dating. take the rejections and put in the time.you get better at it. now I’m really good at the first three months but after that I hit issues. But you get better at communicating your problems early and having honest conversationstrue. but yes as a guy it does take a lot of work to just get two dates on tinder. I guess more in person things and get used to loads of rejections and try and get 5 girls numbers a day and be used to talking to new woman all the time and make statistics work in your favour.41:45 - So what’s the writing Sam is doing and your big goalsToo many things. Psychology and mindsets, business advice, life advice, meta lessons you can learn from stupid things like 50 shades of grey. And then meditation, there’s a whole book to be written on the crazy journey that happens in your brain during a 10 day Vipassana retreat that’s never really been told. It’s weird but Vipassana was actually really funny and the whole thing felt like a comedy show of your life and how hilariously stupid you are, it could be told in a really nice way.I love improving at things and working on my craft. I really hope to be able to reach people and improve their lives as well with my learnings.44:45 - yea ten days of silent retreat sounds horrible I hate the idea of it. perhaps one day I’ll be brave enough.It will be worth it!Subscribe!If you enjoyed the podcast please subscribe and rate it. And of course, share with your friends! Special Guest: Petra Velzeboer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

30 Jun 201948min