EP 151: Anna Hazelnutt — Toe Training for the World’s Hardest Slabs, and Giving Others Permission to Be Real

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3 Dec 20204min

Chris Kalous is the host of the Enormocast and has been immersed in climbing for more than thirty years. We talked about training to be a climber in high school gym class, climbing mountains in New Zealand, soloing El Cap in winter, the infamous “Aid Rant” and the mythical grade of A6+, the ‘Freerider’, old-guy training, raising a kid, and the future of the Enormocast.   Support on Patreon:  patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing  Show Notes:  http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/chris-kalous  Nuggets:  2:41 – Election hangover and my visit to Bonfire Coffee  5:14 – Growing up in the Midwest and reading about John Bachar in Outside Magazine  6:34 – Training for climbing in high school gym class  9:53 – First day of outdoor climbing at Horsetooth Reservoir, and the Outdoor Adventure Floor at CSU  12:15 – Guiding at Colorado Mountain School  15:07 – Chris’s first big international trip to Australia  20:06 – Becoming interested in climbing history, reading ‘Climb!’ cover-to-cover, and idolizing climbers from the 70s  22:29 – Aid climbing in the Fisher Towers  23:30 – Doing an exchange to NZ in ’91, moving to LA, moving away from ice climbing, and starting to climb in Yosemite  27:29 – Climbing A4 in the Fisher Towers, and early aid climbing on El Cap  30:43 – Solo aid climbing ‘Lost in America’ in winter, and aiding through a waterfall  38:33 – Getting down the east ledges in the snow, breaking “the rule”, and the aid climber’s mindset  41:33 – The ‘Aid Rant’, and a breakdown of aid climbing grades (A0 through A5)  47:07 – Aid climbing as an engineering and mental challenge  50:24 – Patron Question: What exactly might constitute the mythical grade of A6+?  51:28 – Patron Question: What is the best way to train for hard aid in a gym?  52:19 – Why Chris moved away from aid climbing  56:30 – How Chris thinks about introducing his son Miles to climbing  57:36 – The ‘Freerider’ chapter  1:06:01 – ‘Learning to Fly’, Didier Berthod, “The bolts don’t make the sport climbing”, and traddy tendencies  1:12:16 – Embracing Rifle, climbing ‘Cantina Boy’, and the mental game of sport climbing  1:16:49 – Back to ‘Learning to Fly’, the advice Chris got from Peewee Ouellet, and taping for finger cracks  1:20:40 – The Canadian Rockies chapter and the FA of ‘Premonition’  1:24:15 – Putting up a 10-pitch 13a in Wadi Rum  1:26:03 – Patron Question: How do you balance fatherhood and climbing? Any secret beta for a new father who would like to keep improving at climbing while being present in his daughter’s life?  1:29:22 – Navigating a relationship with kids, climbing with your partner, and date nights  1:34:08 – Training lessons from working with Kris Hampton (Odub)  1:36:53 – Training can be fun, and “you can do a lot less than you think and still see gains”  1:38:42 – A breadth of experiences, and how climbing harder opens up the world  1:41:11 – One wish about sponsorship and being a sponsored climber  1:43:24 – Hoping to go to Tagia in Morocco, getting shut down on ‘Golden Gate’, prioritizing friends and family in climbing  1:47:34 – The sale offer, and the future of the Enormocast  1:50:31 – The Runout podcast (Chris’s other podcast with Andrew Bisharat)  1:52:12 – Chris’s recommended Enormocast episodes  1:55:11 – Chris’s recommended Runout episodes  1:55:48 – Grateful for Carbondale, CO  1:57:35  – The gift of podcasting, and the guest wish list  2:02:14 – The Mobile Studio 2.0

30 Nov 20202h 4min

This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of a follow-up call with Brittany Goris. We talked about her season in Vedauwoo and some of the top offwidth climbing techniques she learned, about onsighting her first 5.13 trad route in Indian Creek, about how she approaches gear selection and placement for hard splitter projects and onsight attempts, and about her growing finger sizes.You can support the podcast and get access to follow-up conversations for $5 per month on Patreon at patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing. The full version of this follow-up call is 30:50.

26 Nov 20208min

Dru Mack is a professional rock climber who spent his formative years in the Red River Gorge, and is now traveling full time pursuing hard sport climbing. Nat Gustafson sits in on our conversation to talk about hard projecting, tricks for maintaining power and finger strength, an update on “The List”, training recommendations, hype up songs, and Dru’s battle with ‘The Crew’ 5.14c in Rifle.  Support on Patreon:   patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing  Show Notes:  http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/dru-mack  Nuggets:  4:12 – Send Frosties vs. sad Frosties, DQ Blizzards, and steak dinners  6:01 – One “health day” per week, and crunches for beach abs  7:17 – Battling ‘The Crew’  9:14 – Project climbing vs. mixing it up, and “every project has a different process”  13:01 – ‘The Flame’, and going on bouldering trips to help his sport climbing  16:10 – Balancing performance climbing with Moonboard sessions, bouldering trips, and hangboarding  18:41 – Dru’s bouldering trip to Estes  19:55 – Bouldering sessions in the gym, and Is, Ys, and Ts  21:35 – Dru’s stretching practice  24:15 – The importance of  fun  26:28 – My breathing challenge from Ethan Pringle  30:07 – The theme I’ve noticed in top climbers through the podcast  31:28 – Introducing Nat, the prospect of shoulder surgery, and “decisions are always easier when they’re made for you”  34:14 – Question for Nat: What are some of the cultural differences you noticed (related to climbing) between Spain and the US? What can you attribute to higher climbing standards in Spain?  38:28 – The Spanish warmup  39:37 – Lessons from climbing with the Pou brothers  41:15 – Nat’s progression from 12d/13a to 5.14 in 3.5 years in Spain  42:31 – Nat’s challenges with the language barrier in Spain and feeling emotionally blunted  44:01 – “You don’t get over the fears.”  46:11 – Learning from friends  49:15 – Social media and room for mistakes and growth  57:37 – Lee and mentorship  1:03:30 – ‘Middle Child’  1:06:57 – Being “Lee” for some other kid someday  1:07:59 – Dru’s biggest weaknesses leaving the Red  1:09:45 – Dru’s first trip to Europe, climbing with J-Star, and doing ‘Fisheye’  1:11:32 – Getting lowered off the end of his rope, and “always getting better.”  1:13:41 – Plans to move to St. George, and what Dru is focusing on to continue getting better  1:15:36 – Dru’s mantras, little victories, and staying positive  1:18:06 – Update on “The List” (from J-Star), and campusing slabs at the VRG  1:22:18 – Stiff shoes and calf raises for kneebars  1:23:48 – Plans to continue “The List”, and balancing volume climbing with projecting  1:28:07 – 5.15?  1:32:51 – Moving to St. George, community, and balancing connection with solo time  1:39:54 – The book ‘Exhalation’  1:43:03 – Productivity vs. downtime, phones as a tool, and asking ourselves, “do I have the time to be entertained right now?”  1:46:37 – Shoutout to listeners! Thank you so much for your questions, seriously!  1:46:59 – Patron Question: What should I do to prepare for a trip to the Red? (given two to three months to prepare)  1:51:47 – Breaking down the “2x2” and the “3x3”  1:54:16 – Best angles to train on for the Red  1:55:03 – How to progress your training leading up to a trip to the Red  1:58:05 – Short summary of Red training  1:58:26 – Fingers and core, and Dru’s current approach to finger strength  2:01:18 – R&B and hype up music  2:03:16 – “Enjoy every second of it.”  2:05:44 – Gratitude for friends and supportive community  2:06:51 – “Would I be ok trying this route for a month and not doing it..?”, and last-ditch efforts on ‘The Crew’  2:09:17 – More gratitude, blue-point-thumb-wrestling, and basketball  2:11:50 – Send Frosty and donuts

23 Nov 20202h 15min

Steven Dimmitt is the host of The Nugget Climbing Podcast. In this reverse interview, Ethan Pringle takes over and asks Steven about his upbringing, his path through climbing, and about starting the podcast. This episode also features questions from past guests on the show, asking Steven about some of his biggest mistakes, lessons learned, climbing heroes, and inner life.  Support on Patreon:  patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing  Show Notes:  http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/steven-dimmitt  Nuggets:  2:13 – Beef and veggie breakfast tacos   5:04 – Switching interview roles  6:49 – The early years and growing up in Wenatchee, WA  10:27 – Traveling as a kid, South America, and cockroaches  13:02 – Getting robbed in South America    15:22 – Parents, podcast hikes, and connecting through the podcast  20:40 – Piano lessons and threatening to cut my fingers off  22:13 – Music up through high school  26:01 – Going to college in Bellingham, majoring in music, and playing in (and living with) a band  29:30 – My first (and second) climbing experiences, and working at the climbing gym in college  34:01 – My first climbing trip to Bishop and climbing ‘The Hunk’  35:47 – Connecting with climbing and moving away from music after college, and a new excitement for music now  38:50 – Summer jobs in the fruit warehouses  43:53 – Working for the Forest Service, bouldering my first V0 through V10 (except V6) in Leavenworth, and discovering I had weak fingers in Joe’s Valley  45:31 – Learning how to sport climb at Equinox, and resonating with sport climbing  49:45 – Living in my Subaru after college to climb, Ten Sleep, the first Climb Strong Training Camp, and the ‘Superman’ video  53:20 – Visiting Bend/Smith for the first time, lacking purpose on the road, and moving there to work for Entre Prises (EP)  57:31 – Making climbing holds for EP, and working in aerospace   59:57 – The Adventures of Sloth blog and my uneventful 25th birthday  1:02:28 – Smith Rock, “eating your vegetables (with sand in them)”, and working in the grind  1:05:31 – My approach to training while working in Bend, my ‘Grinding’ blog post, following the (altered) Rock Prodigy program, and changing my tune   — [Guest Questions] —    1:11:45  – [Mike Doyle] What is the biggest mistake you’ve made in regards to training?  1:16:53 – [Drew Ruana] What inspired you to start the podcast?  1:24:32 – [Audrey Sniezek] What is the biggest challenge in producing a podcast?  1:25:51 – [Ian Yurdin] How has the podcast influenced your climbing? How is it a drain and/or boon for your climbing? Are you sending more since you started the podcast?  1:28:50 – [Bill Ramsey] When interviewing famous climbers how do you strike a balance between interviewing them for things they’re famous for and therefore have already been covered, and asking original questions that cover new ground?  1:30:37 – [Tonde Katiyo] You are a great listener. Do you think that is a personality trait or something that you’ve cultivated?  1:32:33 – [Charlie Manganiello] What’s the one thing you wish someone would have told you when you first started pursuing hard rock climbs?  1:36:09 – [Mike Kerzhner] If you could take a trip for a month with one climber, dead or alive, who would it be and where would you go?  1:37:11 – [Steve Bechtel] If you could only do one more hard route in your life, which one would it be? Why aren’t you trying it now?  1:38:59 – [Brittany Goris] If you could climb only on one type of rock (i.e. granite, sandstone, limestone, etc.) for the rest of your life, which one would it be and why?  1:39:59 – [Chad Andrews] What’s your ideal balance between meaningful work, travel, and climbing in the future?  1:42:11 – [Blake Cason] Describe a snapshot of a memorable climbing experience you’ve had.   — [Ethan’s Questions] —   1:46:56 – What is your inner life like? And do you think there is a discrepancy between how you seem to others and how you seem to yourself?  1:52:23 – What have you been especially grateful for lately?  1:57:30 – What does the word “God” mean to you?  2:07:36 – “Be kind to one another.”  2:11:55 – “Is a whale a fish or a mammal?”

16 Nov 20202h 16min

This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of a follow-up call with Jonathan Siegrist. We talked about chasing weather in New England, about Jaws II, about the FA of ‘Nu World’ 5.15a/b, about the ‘Event Horizon’ project (the direct finish to ‘Nu World’), and about some of the strategies and tactics Jonathan uses when returning for a new round of attempts on a multi-season project.You can support the podcast and get access to follow-up conversations for $5 per month on Patreon at patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing. The full version of this follow-up call is 26:42.

12 Nov 20209min

Emily Harrington is a professional climber whose accomplishments span the climbing spectrum. From winning National Championships, to summiting Mt. Everest, to free climbing El Capitan, Emily has done it all. We talked about projecting ‘Golden Gate’ in a day, partnering with Alex Honnold, embracing fear, eating to fuel your body, and cupcake batter ice cream.  Support on Patreon:  patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing  Show Notes:  http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/emily-harrington  Nuggets:  3:14  – Being at home, the next round of tries, and “it’s been a long process”  5:29 – Why Emily chose ‘Golden Gate’ in a day as a goal  10:21 – Emily’s preparation for ‘Golden Gate’ this season  13:22 – Partnering up with Alex Honnold  16:36 – Emily’s accident last fall, and recalibrating for this attempt  19:36 – Breakdown of ‘Golden Gate’ and least favorite pitches (the Hollow Flake/ all fo the downclimbs and offwidths)  23:18 – Climbing the Monster Offwidth and bumping a #6 that she’d forgotten to clip  23:56 – Emily’s favorite pitches on ‘Golden Gate’ (Golden Desert and A5)  24:45 – Footwear for El Cap, and converting to the TC Pro  27:29 – Conquering fear vs. embracing fear and using it as fuel  30:41 – Patron Question: Any tips or tactics for working through fear in the moment?  34:37 – Emily’s strategies for working through anxiety, and letting go of perfection  40:25 – Eating to fuel your body  41:26 – Transitioning into trad and big wall free climbing and Emily’s rollercoaster of emotions  43:58 – Rappelling El Cap to try a 20’ downclimb  46:15 – What Emily hopes to accomplish in her career and in her climbing  50:23 – Grateful to have a home  52:12 – Reggaeton  53:05 – Non-functional earrings  54:09 – Skittles and pancakes  54:38 – Naan  55:04 – Cupcake batter ice cream

9 Nov 202059min

Hailey Franklin Fultz is a former competitive dancer, and a nutrition coach. For the past five years, she has used nutrition to help Matt Fultz (her husband) become one of the top boulderers in the world. We geeked out about all things nutrition: meal timing, protein synthesis, the role of carbs, supplements for climbers, strategies for fat loss, foods to avoid, navigating holidays, and Hailey’s favorite “healthified” treats.  Support on Patreon:patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing  Show Notes:  http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/hailey-franklin-fultz  Nuggets:  3:21 – Moving into the RV  6:34 – Travel plans, meeting in middle school, and holiday family time  8:16 – Rifle and potential plans to meet up  9:32 – Hailey’s background in dance, dabbling in climbing, and appreciating watching climbing  11:53 – Hailey’s history with ballet and dance, and growing a love for fitness and functional strength training   12:44 – Becoming interested in nutrition in college, starting OTG Strength with Matt, and every calorie as a “package of opportunity”  15:10 – Parallels between dancers and climbers in regards to nutritional needs  16:38 – Protein synthesis overview  20:22 – Strategies for optimizing protein synthesis, and planning meals around protein   21:45 – Hailey’s recommended daily protein amount (about 1.6 to 2.5 or 3 grams of protein per kg bodyweight per day—note 1 kg = 2.2 lbs)  25:57 – Hailey’s thoughts on supplements (the ingredient list should still look like food)  28:14 – Hailey’s pitch for people who feel reluctant to eat higher protein, and the many roles of amino acids  32:17 – Protein for pre-workout  33:58 – Hailey’s recommendations for peri-workout nutrition/crag food  36:40 – Alternatives to candy for quick energy at the cliff  40:31 – More recommendations related to food timing  43:46 – Shifting our eating around training blocks and energy needs  46:10 – Hailey’s supplement staples for climbers (fish oil and protein powder), and “supplements are meant to fill gaps”  48:23 – Herbs and adaptogens  50:08 – Vitamin D supplementation and food sources  53:18 – Hailey’s biggest bang-for-your-buck recommendations: more protein spread out throughout the day, and more fruits and vegetables  56:42 – Prioritizing complex carbohydrates and real food at the crag  57:51 – Hailey’s thoughts on individuality in nutrition  1:00:48 – Carbohydrate tolerance, the liver’s many jobs, and “carbohydrates are not evil”  1:06:25 – Foods/ingredients that everyone should avoid: artificial foods, food coloring, and trans fats (hydrogenated oils)  1:08:55 – Hailey’s thoughts on alcohol (she recommends keeping it to 1-2 drinks per week, and on rest days)  1:14:04 – Navigating holidays, proteinizing (or healthifying) desserts and treats, and prioritizing foods that are “worth it”  1:18:23 – “Guilt isn’t a topping”, and “If I don’t eat it all today, I can still have some of it tomorrow”  1:20:40 – “Weight has purpose”, Matt’s bulking/cutting/maintenance strategy, fat loss, and how to lose 5 lbs (of fat) to peak for a project (higher protein, slight calorie deficit, and fasted walks)  1:26:26 – Matt’s morning fasted walk (30-60 minutes at a fairly brisk pace, 2-3 times per week)  1:29:46 – How gradually to lose weight during a cutting phase  1:31:58 – Relaxing during “bulking” phases, and the beauty of building good nutrition habits   1:35:13 – Your taste palette changes  1:37:07 – Summary of the big nutritional takeaways  and Hailey’s emphasis (“calories and not evil, and they’re not created equal…”)  1:38:36 – What Hailey would say to her 20-year-old self, letting go of perfection, and the importance of sleep  1:40:47 – More about sleep  1:42:52 – Prioritization, saying “yes” and “no”, and “our best is worth a lot”  1:45:50 – Moving from Idaho to Salt Lake City, working at Sprouts in the vitamin department, and “honor the stepping stones”  1:49:02 – Morning routines  1:50:33 – Hailey’s current book and favorite nostalgic/grounding music  1:52:15 – Gratitude for kind people  1:53:12 – RV life and a new learning curve  1:53:54 – OTG Strength and what clients can expect if they work with Hailey and Matt. 1:57:50 – Hailey’s favorite treats from the ‘Hypnotized Minds’ cheat day with Matt

2 Nov 20202h 1min