#10 Living More With Less

Money doesn’t hug you when you come home.

That’s the line that opened this conversation — and it stayed with us long after we stopped recording. Because somewhere between optimising for salary, security, and status, many of us quietly lost the thread of what we were actually working toward.

In this episode, Anita and Fabio get personal about their own relationships with money — and honest about what they’ve each chosen instead. In this conversation, we explore:

What the research actually tells us about money and happiness — and where the goalposts keep moving

Why impact and meaningful relationships can be a more honest measure of success than income

The hidden cost of financial growth — for people, for ecosystems, and for the work we choose to do

The courage it takes to step outside the system — and what we make space for when we choose less

What “enough” looks like in practice, and how to make it a living question rather than a fixed number

This one felt personal. We hope it resonates.

About The Catastrophe Café:

Join Anita Aerni and Dr. Fabio Duma for honest conversations about the beautiful mess of work, life & everything in between. No polished soundbites — just real dialogue about the challenges we all face and how we make sense of them.

Music by George Hurd

Connect with us:

🌐 www.fabioduma.ch

🌐 www.anitaaerni.org

Season 2 Episodes:

✓ Getting Serious About Joy

✓ Living More with Less (about freedom with(out) money)

On Speaking Up and Getting Heard

Care, Dare, Share — Secure Base Leadership

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