104. Mindful Healing: Psychedelic Therapy and Herbal Remedies for OCD with Natalia Aíza and Matthew Williams

104. Mindful Healing: Psychedelic Therapy and Herbal Remedies for OCD with Natalia Aíza and Matthew Williams

When it comes to finding effective ways to help people dealing with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), the search for better treatments is an ongoing journey. Traditionally, we've relied on therapies and medications, but there's a new and somewhat controversial idea gaining attention – psychedelic therapy.

In today’s episode of The OCD Whisperer Podcast, we have the pleasure of hosting Natalia Aíza and Matthew Williams, the founders of Kairos Wellness Collective. Natalia Aíza, an LPC is a passionate mental health advocate who has personally journeyed with OCD. Matthew Williams, a clinical herbalist, brings a wealth of knowledge from his advanced degree in traditional Chinese medicine and his upbringing in South Korea. Both Natalia and Matthew have extensive knowledge about psychedelic treatment for OCD and herbal natural remedies.

During our conversation, we discussed their holistic approach to treating OCD, incorporating traditional Chinese medicine, herbs, and psychedelic treatments like ketamine. We emphasize the importance of a controlled setting for ketamine therapy and the potential for lasting change through regular sessions and integration activities. We also discuss the need for flexibility in treating OCD, as it presents differently in each individual.

In This Episode

  • [03:30] The current research for psychedelic treatment for OCD
  • [04:57] The shift from ego-centric OCD to ego-tonic OCD
  • [06:35] Effects of psilocybin and ketamine on neuroplasticity and anxiety reduction
  • [08:46] The IV setup and referral list
  • [09:37] The science behind ketamine
  • [17:18] Psychedelic medicine and therapy
  • [18:13] Incorporating EMDR and safe container
  • [19:17] Dosing and perspective with ketamine
  • [25:14] Flexibility in OCD treatment
  • [25:49] Kairos Wellness Collective

Notable Quotes

  • [09:43] "Am I spending my time doing the things that I care about? That's what ketamine did for me." - Natalia
  • [19:19] “Since by nature, you know, ketamine and other psychedelics are just associative. And so we must make sure that we get you back into your body and you feel comfortable so that you're connected." - Matthew
  • [23:14] "Ketamine is an incredibly safe drug that we know exactly how to dose it, it's been studied extensively with OCD and it's very effective." - Natalia

Our Guests

Natalia Aíza, a multicultural counselor, prioritizes active client participation in her modern, goal-oriented therapy. With diverse international experience, including creating a play therapy program in a Shanghai orphanage, she practices transformative therapy at Kairos Wellness Collective in Boulder, integrating outdoor activities with her therapy dog, Miszu.

Matthew Williams, a clinical herbalist rooted in Traditional Chinese Medicine, enhances well-being through personalized consultations and holistic treatments. Raised in South Korea, he combines acupressure, Tui Na massage, and dietary therapy, drawing from his own experiences with OCD and the Autistic spectrum to support individuals with Neurodiversity in customized sessions for holistic healing.

Resources & Links

Kristina Orlova, LMFT

Matthew Williams and Natalia Aíza

**Disclaimer**

Please note, while our host is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in OCD and anxiety disorders in the state of California, this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for therapy.

Stay tuned for bi-weekly episodes filled with valuable insights and tips for managing OCD and anxiety. And remember, keep going in the meantime. See you in the next episode!

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13. Relationship OCD (R OCD)

13. Relationship OCD (R OCD)

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28 Juli 202013min

12. Dreams & OCD

12. Dreams & OCD

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast.   Let's talk about dreams and OCD!    #1 Tip to help you: Response Prevention Once you are awake (regardless if it is middle of the night from a dream or organically in the morning) and the OCD related dream tries to hook you in, slow down for a second and get clear on what you are doing.  Are you doing ANY compulsions in ANY way? Once you get your conscious awareness to the present moment, interrupt your mental rituals!  And engage in behaviors that are opposite of your OCD urge.  Break it down into smaller steps if you need too for example: 10 min timer to challenge avoidance seeking behaviors or reassurance seeking behaviors or wanting to look something up on line. Repeat these steps often!  And stay with your Response Prevention Self Talk for a while if you need to especially if you are having a harder OCD flare up.  Your brain is a muscle and you have to keep practicing your new skills and reinforce them!   _____   IG @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD  eBk: How to Stop Compulsive Rumination + 30 day journal   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California & specialize in OCD and Anxiety Disorders, this does not replace therapy.    See you in the next episode!   Keep going in the meantime.    *Episodes come out out bi-weekly.

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11. Committed Action

11. Committed Action

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast.   Let's talk about committed action and why it is important.  There are some self-evaluation questions you need to ask yourself.     Self- evaluation questions: Am I currently living my life in a way that is truly in alignment with my values in the context of my life? Am I engaging in a range of behaviors that are connected to my deepest wishes and longings? What am I currently doing? (1 min and 50 sec more q's) What kind of life do I want to live? How do I  want to show up? What is getting in the way of me taking committed action?  What is it costing me? _____   IG @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD  eBk: How to Stop Compulsive Rumination + 30 day journal   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going in the meantime. *Episodes come out out bi-weekly.

29 Juni 202012min

10. If You Love Someone With OCD

10. If You Love Someone With OCD

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast.   Today I cover 3 things you DO NOT want to do If You Love Someone With OCD.   Do not try to think your way out of OCD!  Using logic and rationale will only perpetuate the compulsive analysis cycle!   Instead remind the person it is OCD flaring up and what OCD is. Do not provide incessant reassurance!  This will give momentary relief only to reinforce the OCD cycle and more questions will come up, even anger and a more desperate attempt to have certainty that everything will be OK.   Instead lovingly and with warmth set limits of how much reassurance you will provide (we all do need reassurance sometimes). Do not accommodate OCD!  This will feed the cycle and make it last longer! Instead create a step by step plan to reduce accommodations. _____   @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD  OCD Journal and Planner: CBT based tracker   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going.   *Episodes come out out bi-weekly.

15 Juni 202013min

9. Q&A Session

9. Q&A Session

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast.   Today I am answering some questions that got direct messaged to me on my Instagram account @ocdwhisperer. Unintentional thought suppression question and how to have acceptance. Comparing your OCD to Instagram posts to validate or invalidate your own experience question. Can someone with OCD find a friend or a partner who also has OCD and can there be positive benefits? Checking feelings for proof if the obsession is true or not or checking if feeling something and that leads to actually feeling something. _____   IG @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD  OCD Journal and Planner: CBT based tracker   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going in the meantime. *Episodes come out out bi-weekly.

1 Juni 202017min

8. Mindset

8. Mindset

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast. Today we are talking about Mindset work. What are you paying attention to?  Consciously direct your attention! What meaning you assign to your anxiety experience does influence how you feel about it.  (Is anxiety a threat?  Did you assign meaning to it that you cannot handle it?) What you choose to do in response to your anxiety will either feed it or break it.   Compulsively neutralizing it strengthens it. Maybe OCD is an opportunity for growth? Everyday is an opportunity to practice. _____   IG @ocdwhisperer   Resources for OCD  OCD Journal and Planner: CBT based tracker   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going in the meantime.   *Episodes will be coming out bi-weekly.

17 Maj 202013min

7. Compulsions Anyone?

7. Compulsions Anyone?

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast. Today we are talking about Compulsions! Themes of different compulsive behaviors: Avoidance Compulsive crying (other OCD influenced emotions) Self reassurance (sneaking them in sometimes) Decontamination Checking Magical compulsions Perfectionistic compulsions Counting Tracing Touching/ tapping Mental compulsions (there is an episode just on this) Protective compulsions Body focused Self-mutilating (cutting, burning) Hair pulling/ skin picking (this may or may not be due to OCD, it may be due to trichotillomania mean hair pulling or excoriation-means skin picking) _____   IG @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD  OCD Journal and Planner: CBT based tracker   ____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going.   *Episodes will be coming out bi-weekly.

5 Maj 202021min

6. Motivation

6. Motivation

Learn all things OCD with the OCD Whisperer Podcast. Today we are talking about Motivation: it is an on-going dynamic process. Take away strategies are: Break your ERP exercises or any goals down into small steps that you can do right NOW.  Focus on the present- what can you do NOW to start? Set limits with distractions- say no to them. Watch for your rationalizations of all the "should's" and not doing anything and then your inner critic coming out to judge yourself and feel bad like guilt, shame, embarrassment.  This cycle feeds onto itself. Catch it and tell yourself maybe I should have done x,y,z- but right NOW I will do x and focus on the here and now and start. Reflect on even small accomplishments because then you focus on your success and that will feed your confidence and you may feel motivated to do the next ERP exercise and build on it and take action.  _____   OCD Journal and Planner: CBT based tracker IG @ocdwhisperer Resources for OCD   _____ Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes.  Though I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in California, this does not replace therapy.  See you in the next episode! Keep going.   *Episodes will be coming out bi-weekly.

20 Apr 202012min

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