The Sunday Read: ‘Podcasters Took Up Her Sister’s Murder Investigation. Then They Turned on Her’
The Daily21 Jan 2024

The Sunday Read: ‘Podcasters Took Up Her Sister’s Murder Investigation. Then They Turned on Her’

Liz Flatt drove to Austin, Texas, mostly out of desperation. She had tried talking with the police. She had tried working with a former F.B.I. profiler who ran a nonprofit dedicated to solving unsolved murders. She had been interviewed by journalists and at least one podcaster. She had been featured on a Netflix documentary series about a man who falsely confessed to hundreds of killings.

Although she didn’t know it at the time, Flatt was at a crossroads in what she had taken to calling her journey, a path embarked on after a prayer-born decision five years earlier to try to find who killed her sister, Deborah Sue Williamson, or Debbie, in 1975. It was now 2021.

She had come to Austin for a conference, CrimeCon, which formed around the same time that Flatt began her quest, at a moment now seen as an inflection point in the long history of true crime, a genre as old as storytelling but one that adapts quickly to new technologies, from the printing press to social media. Flatt met a woman who would later put her in touch with two investigators who presented at the conference that year: George Jared and Jennifer Bucholtz. They were podcasters, but Jared was also a journalist and Bucholtz an adjunct professor of forensics and criminal justice at the for-profit American Military University. Their presentation was on another cold case, the murder of Rebekah Gould in 2004, whose killer they claimed to have helped find using a technique that has quickly become a signature of the changing landscape of true crime: crowdsourcing.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

On the last day of its term, the Supreme Court said it would take the case about the legality of President Trump’s travel ban. We discuss the path of the travel ban through the lower courts, the key role of two justices in determining the outcome and what this means for refugees. Guests: Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court; Nicholas Kulish, who covers immigration. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2tMr8XN. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

27 Juni 201717min

Monday, June 26, 2017

Monday, June 26, 2017

President Trump’s promise to repeal Obamacare could come down to one issue: abortion. And how the families of people killed by undocumented immigrants have become an emotional cornerstone of another signature issue for the Trump administration. Guests: Sheryl Gay Stolberg, a White House correspondent for The Times; Vivian Yee, who covers immigration for The Times; and Steve Ronnebeck, whose 21-year-old son, Grant, was shot and killed by an illegal immigrant. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2u80Xxf. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

26 Juni 201719min

Friday, June 23, 2017

Friday, June 23, 2017

The secret is out. The Senate has unveiled its health care bill. And after all the waiting, what was promised to be a drastic revamp of the House bill looks a lot like the House bill. Plus: The second in our two-part series on the opioid crisis. Guests: Jennifer Steinhauer, who covers Congress; Nathaniel Popper, a reporter for The Times; Joe Pinjuh, chief of the organized crime task force in the United States attorney’s office in Cleveland; and Josh Lytle, a recovering fentanyl addict who works in East Liverpool, Ohio. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2vbkHgj. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

23 Juni 201723min

Thursday, June 22, 2017

Thursday, June 22, 2017

We replay the dramatic hours at a hotel room in Chicago leading up to Travis Kalanick’s resignation as the chief executive of Uber. Plus: Part I of a two-part series on the opioid crisis ravaging American cities, which has escalated to a whole new level with the spread of a drug 50 times more powerful than heroin. Guests: Mike Isaac, who has been writing about Mr. Kalanick for the last three years; and Nathaniel Popper, who covers finance and technology for The Times. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2sFqeM1. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

22 Juni 201718min

Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Former prisoners subjected to “enhanced interrogation” techniques developed after Sept. 11 have filed a lawsuit — not against the C.I.A., which is protected, but against two psychologists. We discuss what has been revealed by the depositions. Guest: Sheri Fink, who has written about the lawsuit. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2sYeas8. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

21 Juni 201722min

Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Tuesday, June 20, 2017

The battle for Mosul is entering its final and most challenging phase, with Iraqi forces there engaged in the most intensive urban warfare since World War II. The Times embeds with one Iraqi unit. Guests: Ben C. Solomon, a video journalist who has been following Iraqi fighters in Mosul; Adam Liptak, who discusses the Supreme Court’s decision to consider whether partisan gerrymandering violates the Constitution. Caitlin Dickerson is our host; Michael Barbaro is on vacation. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2twhjwL. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

20 Juni 201721min

Monday, June 19, 2017

Monday, June 19, 2017

Why Senate leaders are crafting the most important legislation of the Trump presidency in secret. Guest: Carl Hulse, who covers Congress. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2rIs7dC. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

19 Juni 201718min

Friday, June 16, 2017

Friday, June 16, 2017

Two closely watched trials are heading toward a verdict. We discuss the complexities of both cases. Guests: Katharine Q. Seelye, who has been covering a manslaughter case in Taunton, Mass., involving texts between two teenagers; Lili Bernard, one of Bill Cosby’s accusers who has been attending his now-deadlocked trial in Norristown, Pa. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2rFwYIE. For two weeks, we’re offering listeners a free trial of a New York Times digital subscription. Visit nytimes.com/dailytrial to sign up. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

16 Juni 201721min

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