The future of marketing agencies, How to increase your agency's value, & more

The future of marketing agencies, How to increase your agency's value, & more

In episode #2681 of Marketing School, hosts Eric Siu, Neil Patel, and Ralph Burns along with Kasim Aslam from the Perpetual Traffic podcast delve into the future of agencies and the evolving landscape of digital marketing. They explore the challenges agencies confront in an era dominated by automation and AI, emphasize the necessity for agencies to deliver value beyond mere media buying, and underscore the significance of possessing profound expertise and fostering client success. Additionally, the hosts discuss the oversaturation of the agency market, the transition from percentage-of-spend management fees to performance-based models, and the potential for agencies to introduce equity or profit-sharing arrangements. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the imperative for agencies to adapt and innovate to thrive in the dynamic digital marketing industry. Don’t forget to help us grow by subscribing and liking on YouTube! Check out more of Eric’s content (Leveling UP YT) and Neil’s videos (Neil Patel YT) TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: (00:00) Introduction to the collaboration between Perpetual Traffic and Marketing School. (00:23) Ralph introduces himself and his agency, Tier Eleven. (03:18) Kasim talks about the challenges agencies face and the need for value-producing services. (05:05) Eric asks Ralph and Kasim about the future of agencies and the percentage of ad spend management fees. (06:07) Kasim discusses the obsolescence of media buying agencies and the need for deeper services. (07:05) Ralph talks about the oversaturation of agencies and the outdated model of selling specific ad platforms. (08:11) Ralph mentions the importance of client success and the need to prioritize clients over profit. (09:56) Ralph discusses the challenges faced by agencies and the high turnover rate. (12:03) Percentage of media model can still work if providing value. (13:06) Agencies need strategy and problem-solving skills to provide value. (14:54) Agencies' value and multiples are more realistic now, not artificially inflated. (16:10) 15-20x multiples for agencies will not come back. (16:49) Platforms will win with automation, agencies need to find value outside of that. (17:50) Charging per meeting, page, or lead can be an alternative pricing model. (19:13) Big corporations prefer fixed costs, not performance-based pricing. (20:36) Agencies may seek equity or profit-sharing to justify the effort and value provided. (21:43) Large accounts may still pay fees, but small accounts may require alternative pricing models. (22:23) SMBs struggle to afford comprehensive agency services. (23:19) Agencies need to understand the value of each customer to determine pricing. (25:08) That’s it for today! Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe! Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more! Leave Some Feedback: What should we talk about next? Please let us know in the comments below Did you enjoy this episode? If so, please leave a short review. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric’s ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel X @ericosiu See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Your ChatGPT Searches Were Temporarily Visible in Google Search Results

Your ChatGPT Searches Were Temporarily Visible in Google Search Results

In episode #3019, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss how AI is reshaping YouTube content and revenue, along with growing concerns around data privacy. They also explore strategies for packaging AI content and the trade-offs between entrepreneurship and private equity control in business. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) ChatGPT and Data Privacy Concerns (01:02) The Impact of AI on YouTube Revenue (02:52) Content Creation Strategies for AI Videos (05:59) Navigating Private Equity and Business Control (11:48) Entrepreneurship vs. Private Equity Management To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

7 Aug 24min

Peer Groups Will Make You Rich (With A Caveat)

Peer Groups Will Make You Rich (With A Caveat)

In this episode #3018, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss the value of surrounding yourself with the right peers and being intentional with networking to drive growth. They dive into continuous learning, crypto and credit rewards, and cultural views on obesity—ending with thoughts on health, genetics, and lifestyle habits. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) The Power of Peer Groups (02:07) Intentional Networking for Growth (04:07) The Importance of Learning Loops (06:40) Crypto and Credit Card Points (09:15) Cultural Perspectives on Obesity (12:54) Genetics vs. Lifestyle Choices (15:42) Conclusion and Reflections To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

6 Aug 18min

Marketers MUST jump on Claude agents TODAY

Marketers MUST jump on Claude agents TODAY

In this episode 3017, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss key takeaways from the CMO Awards in Colombia, highlighting the nuances of global marketing and regional expectations. They explore how marketing trends, AI, and SEO strategies differ for startups and established brands—and why adapting to client needs is critical for success. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) Insights from the CMO Awards in Colombia (06:21) Understanding Global Marketing Dynamics (12:46) The Impact of Marketing Sensitivity and Trends (17:38) SEO Strategies for Startups vs Established Companies To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

5 Aug 23min

You Can't Be Rich Without Volatility

You Can't Be Rich Without Volatility

In this episode #3016, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss how wealth often follows volatility, and why embracing risk is key to growth. They cover how debt can fuel business expansion, the shifting perception of agencies, and how AI is transforming marketing by increasing speed and efficiency. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) The Volatility of Wealth (02:58) Risk and Reward in Business (05:54) The Role of Debt in Business Growth (08:56) Agency Status in the Business World (11:53) The Shift in Marketing Dynamics (15:00) AI's Impact on Marketing and Employment (20:03) Leveraging AI for Marketing Efficiency To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

4 Aug 28min

What Partnering Can Be a Better Form of Marketing?

What Partnering Can Be a Better Form of Marketing?

In episode #3015, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss the value of partner marketing and the balance leaders need to strike between teaching and doing. They also cover the rising costs of podcast sponsorships and wrap up with a look at the ethical challenges in viral marketing. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) The Power of Partner Marketing (04:34) Teaching vs. Doing in Leadership (07:39) High-Stakes Podcast Sponsorships (10:05) Viral Marketing and Ethical Boundaries To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

31 Juli 16min

How to Produce Content at Scale With Podcasting, Content, and Webinars

How to Produce Content at Scale With Podcasting, Content, and Webinars

In this episode #3014, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss scaling content through podcasts, webinars, and short-form videos. They dive into the economics and effectiveness of webinars, the pros and cons of personal branding, and reflect on the ideal level of fame in business while juggling family life, productivity, and recruiting top talent. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) Podcasting for Content at Scale (01:15) Long-form Sessions for Short-form Clips (03:09) Webinar Experiments and Lead Quality (06:22) Webinar ROI and Promotion Strategy (08:32) The Value of Revenue vs. Vanity Metrics (10:03) Navigating Fame and Brand Impact (12:06) Managing Fan Attention in Public (13:45) Personal Brand ROI in Recruiting (16:26) Turning Down Speaking Gigs and Brand Deals (18:57) Teaching Humility Through Simplicity To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

30 Juli 23min

Elon vs. Zuck – $1B Compute vs. $1B Humans

Elon vs. Zuck – $1B Compute vs. $1B Humans

In this episode #3013, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss Elon Musk’s $1B bet on compute versus Zuckerberg’s $1B spend on AI talent. They explore buy vs. build strategies, ChatGPT’s evolving ranking factors, and how brand mentions, content depth, and consistency shape visibility in the AI era. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) Elon vs. Zuck: Compute vs. Talent (01:30) Tesla’s Competitive Edge (03:25) Why Elon Picks the Hard Way (06:10) Buy vs. Build Debate (08:45) ChatGPT’s Traffic Advantage (09:50) SEO Is Evolving Fast (11:00) Brand Mentions in AI Rankings (12:30) What ChatGPT Considers Valuable (14:10) How Podcasts Rank on LLMs (16:00) Why Consistency Wins To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

29 Juli 19min

Personalized LinkedIn Ads at Scale

Personalized LinkedIn Ads at Scale

In this episode #3012, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss how AI is changing the game for LinkedIn ads through personalization at scale. They also dive into lessons from a SaaS founder retreat and explore whether AI could disrupt platforms like WordPress. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) Personalizing LinkedIn Ads with AI (03:06) ROI Results from Hyper-Personalized Ads (04:17) De-anonymizing Website Visitors & Outreach Tools (05:13) SaaS Founder Retreat Insights (06:47) The GTM (Go-To-Market) Confusion in B2B SaaS (08:40) Founders Want Community (11:01) The Risk of Leverage in Business (13:18) The Challenge of Focus vs. Opportunity (15:30) Investor vs. Operator Mindsets (16:34) Will AI Kill WordPress? (20:09) WordPress vs. Lovable & AI Builders (22:13) Leadership Challenges at WordPress (23:56) HubSpot’s Legacy and OpenAI Connections To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

28 Juli 28min

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