The Camm Family Murders: A Conversation with Investigator Gary Dunn on the Probable Cause Affidavit for the Arrest of David Camm
Murder Sheet23 Jan 2024

The Camm Family Murders: A Conversation with Investigator Gary Dunn on the Probable Cause Affidavit for the Arrest of David Camm

On September 28, 2000, former Indiana State trooper David Camm returned to his Floyd County, Indiana home to find his wife and children murdered. After three trials and thirteen years in prison, he was acquitted. Camm's case remains known as one of the most egregious wrongful convictions in Indiana's recent history. So what did happen to the Camm family? Why did investigators hone in on Camm despite the fact a violent felon's DNA was found at the murder scene? What was the real story of all the blood evidence used to arrest and convict Camm?

Retired Federal Bureau of Investigation agent Gary Dunn was kind enough to share with us a copy of the probable cause affidavit in Camm's case. Dunn investigated Camm's case for the defense, and chronicled his experience in the book Their Bloody Lies and Persecution of David Camm: Part One. It's a great book that delves deeply into the crime. He is working on part two.

In this episode, we will go through the entire PCA with Gary, and he will explain the weaknesses and fabrications in the case.

By Gary's detailed book on the case: Their Bloody Lies and Persecution of David Camm

Also, check out Gary's website on the case, to read the first chapter for free: https://www.theirbloodylies.com/

A report from the News and Tribune on the day of the Camm family murders: https://www.newsandtribune.com/news/local_news/normal-day-ended-in-murder-for-camm-family/article_27335bd2-cdaf-5cfc-bb31-e104409b464d.html

A WAVE report on the 2006 trial: https://www.wave3.com/story/4488420/february-9-2006-day-24-pieces-to-the-puzzle/

A WAVE report on the 2006 conviction: https://www.wave3.com/story/4600249/camm-jurors-say-they-were-swayed-by-medical-evidence/

A News and Tribune report on the case: https://www.newsandtribune.com/news/local_news/judge-drops-conspiracy-charge-against-david-camm/article_30761d6b-85e4-5d1f-86c2-750c089e9b0c.html

A post from Officer.com on the Camm case: https://www.officer.com/home/article/10250471/murder-on-lockhart-road

A WDRB report on Donald Forrester's role in the Camm case: https://www.wdrb.com/news/david-camm-blog-jailhouse-informants/article_23d3b6e8-8a19-5cba-98e3-1aecaa2c410f.html

A report from WAVE on the third and final trial in the Camm case: https://www.wave3.com/story/23652064/camm-trial-109-prosecutors-smack-touch-dna-favorable-to-camm-as-unreliable/

A WAVE report on calls relevant to the Camm case: https://www.wave3.com/story/23394189/camm-trial-827-camm-called-investigator-wifes-employer-before-arrest/

A WDRB report on Janice Renn's testimony: https://www.wdrb.com/news/david-camm-blog-janice-renn-testifies/article_9f6128c6-d70d-5bbe-971e-8b86c87f545c.html

Another book by John Glatt on the case: One Deadly Night: A State Trooper, Triple Homicide, and a Search for Justice

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The Delphi Murders: The Defense's Ricci Davis Gambit

The Delphi Murders: The Defense's Ricci Davis Gambit

We talk about the latest in the Delphi murders case. But this isn't an important update, so skip it if you want.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You deserve little luxuries. Items and experiences that make your day special, that lighten your mood. Well, if you want luxury that won’t break the bank, you ought to check out our wonderful sponsor Quince. Do not miss out.Quince is a brand that’s providing luxury products for all of us ordinary people. Silk shirts and dresses that are not just quality-made — they’re washable, too. 14 karat gold jewelry for when you want something sparkly. Sweaters of Mongolian cashmere and organic cotton. Those are the kinds of premium products that Quince offers, at a great price.All Quince items are 50% to 80% less costly than those of their competitors. Plus Murder Sheet listeners are going to get a great deal on shipping and returns. But Quince is able to do all this by cutting out the middleman. The savings pass the savings onto you. And remember, by supporting our sponsors, you’re supporting us. We recently gifted ourselves some luxurious pieces from Quince. I got their Suede Bomber Jacket. I love it. I am not normally much of a fashion icon or clothes horse, but this jacket makes me feel more put together. It is also highly functional and warm, which I have appreciated during the cold Indiana winter. I like the way I look in it.Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to Quince.com/msheet for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

17 Feb 1h 7min

The Cheat Sheet: Art and Arrests

The Cheat Sheet: Art and Arrests

This episode was originally published on The Murder Sheet's main feed on February 14, 2025.The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from France, Brazil, Florida, and New Jersey.Bureau of Justice Statistics on victim-offender relationships in 2021: https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021If you or someone you know is suffering from domestic violence, call 1.800.799.SAFE (7233) or text START to 88788.The Independent's report on the deaths of Andrew Searle and Dawn Kerr: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/andrew-searle-dawn-kerr-france-british-couple-b2696674.htmlThe BBC's report on the deaths of Andrew Searle and Dawn Kerr: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3lq3lkkn5oThe New York Times's report on Daniel Sikkema's arrest for the murder of his husband Brent Sikkema: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/arts/design/daniel-sikkema-murder-brent-sikkema.htmlUSA Today's report on the murders of Gregory Philip Malnory Jr. and Kimberly Ann Malnory by James Dennis Ford: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/02/11/james-dennis-ford-florida-execution/77983151007/In the case of the Malnory murders, we also relied on reporting from the News-Press and Bradenton Herald, both accessed through Newspapers.com. My Central Jersey's report on the case against David and Cindy Keogh in the murder of Terrence C. Coulanges: https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/courts/2025/02/11/charge-dismissed-against-bound-brook-couple-whose-son-is-guilty-of-murder/78376800007/Our link to the opinion in the New Jersey case: https://www.njcourts.gov/system/files/court-opinions/2025/a0773-23.pdfPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let’s talk about one of our favorite people who also happens to do one of our favorite podcasts. Obviously, I’m talking about Jayson Blair and his show, The Silver Linings Handbook!You probably recognize Jayson’s name because we’ve been on his show and he’s been on ours, to talk about true crime ethics and the media. He’s always got thoughtful insights to share. Plus, he’s got all kinds of ideas on how to make true crime a more respectful, compassionate space. We always want to hear more from him. Well, we’re in luck. And so are you! Jayson runs the Silver Linings Handbook, a terrific weekly podcast. It’s interview-centric. Each week, you get to hear Jayson’s in-depth conversations with inspiring people. We’re talking about conversations about well-being, mental health, the law and criminal justice system, true crime, religion, and marginalized communities. For all you true crime fans, he's had on the hosts of The Prosecutors andThe Consult as well as leaders in business, journalism, and law. Jayson is a wonderful person with a seemingly endless well of compassion and empathy for others. That serves him quite well as an interviewer. We were really gripped by his recent conversations with the daughter of a murdered police detective, the sister of a missing Native woman in Montana, and Gabby Petito’s father, Jim Schmidt. These were all humanistic and in-depth talks that got to the heart of topics like grief, advocacy, and abuse. We’ve always enjoyed our conversations with Jayson on the Silver Linings Handbook and behind the scenes. Getting to listen to his show is like dropping by for one of those talks. We think Murder Sheet listeners will really enjoy it. Subscribe to The Silver Linings Handbook wherever you listen to podcasts.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

14 Feb 41min

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him early in January about the investigation into the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

12 Feb 53min

The Delphi Murders: First Person: First Sergeant Steve Buckley

The Delphi Murders: First Person: First Sergeant Steve Buckley

First Sergeant Steve Buckley of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

11 Feb 1h 4min

Cheat Sheet: Presumptions and Professors

Cheat Sheet: Presumptions and Professors

Cheat Sheet: Presumptions and ProfessorsHere are the links to the cases we covered this episode:Hayden Manishttps://www.wthr.com/article/news/investigations/13-investigates/what-happened-to-hayden-manis-family-police-discovered-muncie-indiana-boy-missing-5-years-fear-he-is-dead/531-b40321e7-f08c-4202-ac81-0894a3b5281eSeorin Kimhttps://denvergazette.com/news/courts/nicholas-myklebust-professor-charged-murder-court/article_f96fe12a-5b4d-11ef-982b-8be5c9098dfa.htmlRobert Brookshttps://ag.ny.gov/osi/footage/robert-brooksRichard Snyderhttps://www.ksl.com/article/51245026/new-york-judge-resigns-after-saying-he-cant-be-on-a-jury-since-he-thinks-all-defendants-are-guiltyPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

7 Feb 54min

The Delphi Murders: The State's Response to Motion to Correct Error

The Delphi Murders: The State's Response to Motion to Correct Error

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland filed his response to Richard Allen's trial team's motion to correct error.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

5 Feb 1h 7min

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of Kegan Kline.Pre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

4 Feb 51min

The Cheat Sheet: Faces and Photos

The Cheat Sheet: Faces and Photos

Here are the sources for this week's caseshttps://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/01/cleveland-police-used-ai-to-justify-a-search-warrant-it-has-derailed-a-murder-case.htmlhttps://www.scotusblog.com/2025/01/justices-decline-to-reinstate-ohio-mans-attempted-murder-conviction/https://openvallejo.org/2025/01/27/man-killed-in-vallejo-was-main-witness-in-upcoming-murder-trial/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/hawaii-killing-murder-chargePre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------As podcasters, we try to stay hydrated so we don’t sound like croaking toads on here. We don’t want to do that to you guys! Clean delicious water is the key. It helps when you know for sure that you’re drinking truly pure water. One thing that can be a bother is that extensive research by the Environmental Working Group finds that many homes in America can have harmful contaminants in its tap water. So a lot of people end up opting for bottled water or pitcher filters — but there’s an even easier way.AquaTru is a water purifying system that makes your life so much easier. Their purifiers rely on 4-stage reverse osmosis technology. You can install their countertop purifiers — no installation and you don’t need to call a plumber, either. They do also have higher capacity under sink options, a Wifi-connected purifier, and ones that give your water a boost of minerals! AquaTru removes fifteen times more contaminants than ordinary pitcher filters, targeting chemicals like PFAS, which is found in 45% of United States tap water.AquaTru blasts away forever chemicals, arsenic, chlorine, microplastics, and more. Plus these filters last a long time, and they’re affordable, especially with the special deal Murder Sheet listeners get. PFAS are linked to bad health outcomes, liver toxicity and endocrine system disruption. You can combat that without having to buy thousands of water bottles or change filters every two to three months. AquaTru filters last 6 months to two years.Tastier tea and coffee, healthier families and pets, more water drinking, the truth is you can’t go wrong with AquaTru!● AquaTru comes with a 30-day Money-Back Guarantee and even makes a great gift… ● Today our listeners receive 20% OFF any AquaTru purifier! Just go to AquaTru.com and enter code “MSHEET” “ at checkout. ● That’s 20% OFF any AquaTru water purifier when you go to AquaTru.com and use promo code MSHEETSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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