Dr. Melanie Joy on Going Beyond Carnism: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows

Dr. Melanie Joy on Going Beyond Carnism: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows

Why do we love dogs, but eat cows? Cooking up your golden retriever would be an unthinkable abomination. But barbecued beef? That's about as normal as it gets. It's just the way things are. But why? The logic and social mechanisms behind why we eat some animals and not others is a behavioral inconsistency unexamined to the point of absurdity — both psychologically complex and strange — very strange indeed. Many guests on this podcast have elaborated on why we shouldn't eat meat. This week I sit down with Melanie Joy, Ph.D, Ed.M to explain why we do eat meat. An idea she coined carnism, Dr. Joy's work centers around the psychology of eating meat, what is known as the “meat paradox” – our irrational, inconsistent and species specific attitudes toward various animals – why we express affection towards certain animals while eating others – and the cognitive dissonance this entails. A Harvard-educated social psychologist, Dr. Joy is a celebrated speaker, organizational consultant, author of the award-winning book, Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows*, and eighth recipient of the Institute of Jainology's Ahimsa Award, which was previously awarded to Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. Her work has been featured by numerous national and international media outlets, including the BBC, NPR, and the New York Times. And she is the founder of the non-profit Beyond Carnism, which challenges dominant ideologies around food choice and systems and promotes a more mindful approach to our consumer choices. I came across Dr. Joy’s work via her popular TEDx Talk, Toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices — a very intelligent and cogent exploration of our normative cultural behaviors and attitudes around the food we eat and why — and have wanted to get her on the podcast ever since. I only had a tight hour with Dr. Joy, so this is a very focused discourse on speciesism and the psychological defense mechanisms we employ to rationalize our food choices. It's a conversation about the psychology of social change, and it's about how to employ psychologically optimal strategies in the advocacy of positive cultural change. Specific topics explored include: * the concept of carnism * psychological defense mechanisms to eating animals * speciesism * carnistic justifications and “humane meat” * the rise of meat & dairy alternatives * the psychology of social change * the impact of the locavore movement * masculinity of meat & gender stereotypes * how to effectively advocate for veganism Whip smart, Dr. Joy peels back the fallacious facade of logic and exposes the denial that surrounds these cultural mores with keen intellect and grace. Irrespective of your dietary proclivities, my hope is that this provocative conversation will challenge assumptions and inspire you to make more informed consumer choices that more adeptly align with your core values as an empathetic and compassionate citizen. It was a pleasure to talk with Dr. Joy and I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich

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Annaka Harris On Why Consciousness Just Might Be Fundamental To Reality

Annaka Harris On Why Consciousness Just Might Be Fundamental To Reality

Annaka Harris is a New York Times bestselling author and creator of the groundbreaking audio documentary series “Lights On.”   This conversation explores the profound question of whether consciousness is fundamental to the universe rather than merely an emergent property of complex matter. We discuss the ineffable nature of felt experience, the illusion of self, and how our perceptual limitations restrict our understanding of the world around us.   Also, I share a very personal and meaningful experience that changed how I think about the nature of reality.   Annaka is an insightful guide whose perspectives may shift your thinking about the substrate of existence. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: iFit: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off any purchase of $999+ 👉 nordictrack.com/RICHROLL Squarespace: Use the offer code RichRoll to save 10% off your first purchase  👉Squarespace.com/RichRoll AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll Calm: Get 40% off a Calm Premium subscription 👉 calm.com/richroll On Running: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll OneSkin: Get 15% off with the code RICHROLL👉 oneskin.co Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

10 Mars 1h 38min

Emotional Fitness: Dr. Ethan Kross On Dealing With Difficult Feelings, Controlling Your Inner Voice & The Science of Emotional Regulation

Emotional Fitness: Dr. Ethan Kross On Dealing With Difficult Feelings, Controlling Your Inner Voice & The Science of Emotional Regulation

Dr. Ethan Kross is a renowned psychologist, bestselling author, and expert on controlling the conscious mind.   This conversation explores his innovative approach to mental fitness and how our emotions function as an operating system. We examine why difficult emotions serve a purpose, how our inner dialogue shapes our reality, and why we have more control over our responses than we realize.   Along the way, he helps me analyze my own patterns of thought spirals and disaster-casting.   Ethan’s work offers a pattern interrupt for those caught in mental turbulence and a roadmap to greater agency. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up  Today’s Sponsors:    Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products👉livemomentous.com/richroll Bon Charge: Get 15% OFF all my favorite wellness products w/ code RICHROLL👉 boncharge.com Squarespace: Use the code RichRoll to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain 👉Squarespace.com/RichRoll Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

3 Mars 2h 18min

SOFI TUKKER On Unlikely EDM Superstardom, The Hard Business of Music, And The Athletic Art of Performance

SOFI TUKKER On Unlikely EDM Superstardom, The Hard Business of Music, And The Athletic Art of Performance

Sophie Hawley-Weld and Tucker Halpern, together known as SOFI TUKKER, defy every convention of electronic dance music.   This conversation explores their unlikely origin story—from D1 basketball captain and aspiring diplomat to electronic music revolutionaries who’ve achieved stratospheric success by approaching their craft with athletic discipline and meditative mindfulness. Through an alchemy of Portuguese poetry and pulsing beats, they’ve amassed over 3 billion streams, scored multiple Grammy nominations, and landed high-profile Apple campaigns while sustaining well-being amidst non-stop touring.   These two transformed my understanding of what electronic artists can be.   SOFI TUKKER is a revelation—and a testament to the power of authentic self-expression. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products👉livemomentous.com/richroll BetterHelp: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off your first month👉BetterHelp.com/richroll Calm: Get get 40% off a Calm Premium subscription👉calm.com/richroll RocketMoney: Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money 👉 RocketMoney.com/RICHROLL                                                 Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

27 Feb 2h 1min

The Mindful Body: Harvard’s Dr. Ellen Langer On The Power Of Mindfulness, How Thoughts Can Control Health, & Using Perspective To Lower Stress

The Mindful Body: Harvard’s Dr. Ellen Langer On The Power Of Mindfulness, How Thoughts Can Control Health, & Using Perspective To Lower Stress

Dr. Ellen Langer is Harvard’s first tenured female psychology professor, a pioneering researcher on the mind-body connection, and author of “The Mindful Body.”     This conversation explores the radical impact of certainty on well-being and Ellen’s perspective that redefines traditional notions of mindfulness through the simple act of noticing new things.   In her return, we discuss why uncertainty brings freedom, how thoughts influence health outcomes, the kaleidoscopic nature of consciousness, and why everything we think we know deserves to be questioned.   Ellen is brilliant, irreverent, and wise. Her insights may transform how you think about thinking. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Roka: Unlock 20% OFF your order with code RICHROLL 👉ROKA.com/RICHROLL    AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉gobrewing.com Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Dr. Ellen Langer will be hosting a private, intimate Couples Retreat in Puerto Vallarta Mexico March 9-14, 2026.  For information please email Randy Lennon at randy@lennon.media.  Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

24 Feb 2h 23min

Happiness Is A Direction: Harvard Professor Arthur Brooks On Navigating Crisis, Building Better Relationships, Finding Meaning, & What Actually Makes Us Happy

Happiness Is A Direction: Harvard Professor Arthur Brooks On Navigating Crisis, Building Better Relationships, Finding Meaning, & What Actually Makes Us Happy

Arthur Brooks is a Harvard professor, behavioral scientist, and the world’s leading researcher on happiness.   This conversation explores the ineffable nature of happiness and meaning, explores why success addiction plagues high achievers, and discusses how science can open a portal to deeper truths. We investigate the dualistic tension between striving and surrender, as Arthur reveals how our fixation on striving often obscures the true source of happiness.   Through a captivating shift in perspective, he sheds light on a new understanding of love, purpose, and fulfillment.   The intersection of science and happiness begins here. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Seed: Use code RICHROLL25 for 25% OFF your first order 👉seed.com/RichRoll       On Running: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll Birch: For 27% off ALL mattresses 👉BirchLiving.com/richroll Pique: Get up to 20% OFF plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with your first purchase 👉piquelife.com/richroll Calm: Get 40% off a Calm Premium subscription 👉 calm.com/richroll Prolon: Get 15% OFF plus a FREE bonus gift 👉 prolonlife.com/richroll   Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

17 Feb 2h 16min

Rivian Founder RJ Scaringe Is Building The Future: Leadership, Mindset, Innovation, & His Mission To Decarbonize Transportation

Rivian Founder RJ Scaringe Is Building The Future: Leadership, Mindset, Innovation, & His Mission To Decarbonize Transportation

RJ Scaringe is the visionary founder of Rivian, who turned his childhood obsession with engines into one of automotive history’s most audacious ventures.   This conversation explores the intractable challenges of starting a car company from scratch, balancing “extreme optimism” with “robust realism,” and why this moment represents a once-in-a-planet opportunity to reinvent transportation.    RJ shares intimate details of Rivian’s journey toward a carbon-neutral future, from nearly running out of payroll to leading a publicly traded company.   This is a masterclass in playing the long game. Enjoy!   Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products  👉livemomentous.com/richroll On: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll Roka: Unlock 20% OFF your order with code RICHROLL  👉ROKA.com/RICHROLL One Skin: Get 15% OFF with the code RICHROLL 👉 oneskin.co                             Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

13 Feb 1h 23min

Fasting For Longevity: Valter Longo, PhD Shares Cutting-Edge Fasting Science & Optimal Nutrition Protocols For Lifespan Extension & Disease Prevention

Fasting For Longevity: Valter Longo, PhD Shares Cutting-Edge Fasting Science & Optimal Nutrition Protocols For Lifespan Extension & Disease Prevention

Dr. Valter Longo is a pioneering longevity researcher, Director of the USC Longevity Institute, and one of TIME’s 50 most influential people in healthcare. This conversation explores his groundbreaking Fasting Mimicking Diet and its profound implications for aging, disease treatment, and longevity. From cancer therapy to diabetes reversal, Valter reveals how therapeutic fasting could transform modern medicine. Along the way, Valter challenges my long-held assumptions about protein intake and sleep. His research offers hope for extending human healthspan, and this conversation is illuminating at every turn. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors:  Seed: Use code RICHROLL25 to get 25% off your first month 👉https://bit.ly/seedxrrp2025 Squarespace: Use code RichRoll to save 10% off 👉https://bit.ly/squarespace2025 Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF  👉gobrewing.com  iFit: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off any purchase of $999+ 👉 nordictrack.com/RICHROLL LMNT: Get a FREE LMNT sample pack for just $5 shipping 👉 drinkLMNT.com/RICHROLL BetterHelp: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off your first month 👉BetterHelp.com/richroll Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

10 Feb 1h 59min

Live Through Your Heart: Supermodel Elle Macpherson On Building Confidence, 20+ Years of Sobriety, Natural Wellness, & Learning to Trust Yourself

Live Through Your Heart: Supermodel Elle Macpherson On Building Confidence, 20+ Years of Sobriety, Natural Wellness, & Learning to Trust Yourself

Elle Macpherson is a record-breaking Sports Illustrated cover model, pioneering entrepreneur, and the ineffable force behind the global wellness empire WelleCo.   This conversation explores the intersection of intuition and business acumen, chronicling Elle’s iconoclastic journey from supermodel to mogul. We discuss her audacious choices, from walking away from Ford Models to build her own agency to following her heart’s wisdom in health decisions. Through stories of sobriety, spirituality, and transformation, Elle reveals how inner knowing can triumph over convention.   In doing so, she offers profound insights on the philosophical tension between expertise and inner wisdom that exists in all of us.   This exchange with Elle is raw, honest, and deeply resonant. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors:  Bon Charge: Get 15% OFF all my favorite wellness products w/ code RICHROLL 👉 boncharge.com  On: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll Squarespace: Use the code RichRoll to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain 👉Squarespace.com/RichRoll Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

3 Feb 1h 57min

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