#98 – Christian Tarsney on future bias and a possible solution to moral fanaticism

#98 – Christian Tarsney on future bias and a possible solution to moral fanaticism

Imagine that you’re in the hospital for surgery. This kind of procedure is always safe, and always successful — but it can take anywhere from one to ten hours. You can’t be knocked out for the operation, but because it’s so painful — you’ll be given a drug that makes you forget the experience.

You wake up, not remembering going to sleep. You ask the nurse if you’ve had the operation yet. They look at the foot of your bed, and see two different charts for two patients. They say “Well, you’re one of these two — but I’m not sure which one. One of them had an operation yesterday that lasted ten hours. The other is set to have a one-hour operation later today.”

So it’s either true that you already suffered for ten hours, or true that you’re about to suffer for one hour.

Which patient would you rather be?

Most people would be relieved to find out they’d already had the operation. Normally we prefer less pain rather than more pain, but in this case, we prefer ten times more pain — just because the pain would be in the past rather than the future.

Christian Tarsney, a philosopher at Oxford University's Global Priorities Institute, has written a couple of papers about this ‘future bias’ — that is, that people seem to care more about their future experiences than about their past experiences.

Links to learn more, summary and full transcript.

That probably sounds perfectly normal to you. But do we actually have good reasons to prefer to have our positive experiences in the future, and our negative experiences in the past?

One of Christian’s experiments found that when you ask people to imagine hypothetical scenarios where they can affect their own past experiences, they care about those experiences more — which suggests that our inability to affect the past is one reason why we feel mostly indifferent to it.

But he points out that if that was the main reason, then we should also be indifferent to inevitable future experiences — if you know for sure that something bad is going to happen to you tomorrow, you shouldn't care about it. But if you found out you simply had to have a horribly painful operation tomorrow, it’s probably all you’d care about!

Another explanation for future bias is that we have this intuition that time is like a videotape, where the things that haven't played yet are still on the way.

If your future experiences really are ahead of you rather than behind you, that makes it rational to care more about the future than the past. But Christian says that, even though he shares this intuition, it’s actually very hard to make the case for time having a direction. It’s a live debate that’s playing out in the philosophy of time, as well as in physics.

For Christian, there are two big practical implications of these past, present, and future ethical comparison cases.

The first is for altruists: If we care about whether current people’s goals are realised, then maybe we should care about the realisation of people's past goals, including the goals of people who are now dead.

The second is more personal: If we can’t actually justify caring more about the future than the past, should we really worry about death any more than we worry about all the years we spent not existing before we were born?

Christian and Rob also cover several other big topics, including:

• A possible solution to moral fanaticism
• How much of humanity's resources we should spend on improving the long-term future
• How large the expected value of the continued existence of Earth-originating civilization might be
• How we should respond to uncertainty about the state of the world
• The state of global priorities research
• And much more

Chapters:
• Rob’s intro (00:00:00)
• The interview begins (00:01:20)
• Future bias (00:04:33)
• Philosophy of time (00:11:17)
• Money pumping (00:18:53)
• Time travel (00:21:22)
• Decision theory (00:24:36)
• Eternalism (00:32:32)
• Fanaticism (00:38:33)
• Stochastic dominance (00:52:11)
• Background uncertainty (00:56:27)
• Epistemic worries about longtermism (01:12:44)
• Best arguments against working on existential risk reduction (01:32:34)
• The scope of longtermism (01:41:12)
• The value of the future (01:50:09)
• Moral uncertainty (01:57:25)
• The Berry paradox (02:35:00)
• Competitive debating (02:28:34)
• The state of global priorities research (02:21:33)
• Christian’s personal priorities (02:17:27)

Producer: Keiran Harris.
Audio mastering: Ryan Kessler.
Transcriptions: Sofia Davis-Fogel.

Avsnitt(333)

'95% of AI Pilots Fail': The hidden agenda behind the viral stat that misled millions

'95% of AI Pilots Fail': The hidden agenda behind the viral stat that misled millions

You might have heard that '95% of corporate AI pilots' are failing. It was one of the most widely cited AI statistics of 2025, parroted by media outlets everywhere. It helped trigger a Nasdaq selloff ...

28 Apr 10min

#242 – Will MacAskill on how we survive the 'intelligence explosion,' AI character, and the case for 'viatopia'

#242 – Will MacAskill on how we survive the 'intelligence explosion,' AI character, and the case for 'viatopia'

Hundreds of millions already turn to AI on the most personal of topics — therapy, political opinions, and how to treat others. And as AI takes over more of the economy, the character of these systems ...

22 Apr 3h 9min

Risks from power-seeking AI systems (article narration by Zershaaneh Qureshi)

Risks from power-seeking AI systems (article narration by Zershaaneh Qureshi)

Hundreds of prominent AI scientists and other notable figures signed a statement in 2023 saying that mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority. At 80,000 Hours, we’ve consi...

16 Apr 1h 29min

How scary is Claude Mythos? 303 pages in 21 minutes

How scary is Claude Mythos? 303 pages in 21 minutes

With Claude Mythos we have an AI that knows when it's being tested, can obscure its reasoning when it wants, and is better at breaking into (and out of) computers than any human alive. Rob Wiblin work...

10 Apr 21min

Village gossip, pesticide bans, and gene drives: 17 experts on the future of global health

Village gossip, pesticide bans, and gene drives: 17 experts on the future of global health

What does it really take to lift millions out of poverty and prevent needless deaths?In this special compilation episode, 17 past guests — including economists, nonprofit founders, and policy advisors...

7 Apr 4h 6min

What everyone is missing about Anthropic vs the Pentagon. And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

What everyone is missing about Anthropic vs the Pentagon. And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

When the Pentagon tried to strong-arm Anthropic into dropping its ban on AI-only kill decisions and mass domestic surveillance, the company refused. Its critics went on the attack: Anthropic and its s...

3 Apr 20min

#241 – Richard Moulange on how now AI codes viable genomes from scratch and outperforms virologists at lab work — what could go wrong?

#241 – Richard Moulange on how now AI codes viable genomes from scratch and outperforms virologists at lab work — what could go wrong?

Last September, scientists used an AI model to design genomes for entirely new bacteriophages (viruses that infect bacteria). They then built them in a lab. Many were viable. And despite being entirel...

31 Mars 3h 7min

#240 – Samuel Charap on how a Ukraine ceasefire could accidentally set Europe up for a bigger war

#240 – Samuel Charap on how a Ukraine ceasefire could accidentally set Europe up for a bigger war

Many people believe a ceasefire in Ukraine will leave Europe safer. But today's guest lays out how a deal could potentially generate insidious new risks — leaving us in a situation that's equally dang...

24 Mars 1h 12min

Populärt inom Utbildning

rss-bara-en-till-om-missbruk-medberoende-2
historiepodden-se
det-skaver
harrisons-dramatiska-historia
nu-blir-det-historia
roda-vita-rosen
johannes-hansen-podcast
allt-du-velat-veta
rss-viktmedicinpodden
sektledare
i-vantan-pa-katastrofen
not-fanny-anymore
rss-foraldramotet-bring-lagercrantz
rss-max-tant-med-max-villman
rss-sjalsligt-avkladd
rikatillsammans-om-privatekonomi-rikedom-i-livet
sa-in-i-sjalen
rss-npf-podden
rss-basta-livet
rss-traningsklubben