Ep66. Harris taunts Trump; the Disorderer implodes, Order appears to prevail

Nation states no longer work effectively in tandem. Gone are the days of hegemonic US power directly ordering the allies. Furthermore, groups like the UN are ineffective, with disruptors often calling the shots. However, NATO stands apart as an example of how countries can work together successfully and how a global institution can remain largely uncontroversial, while doing serious coordinating work to solve real world problems.    In this episode our hosts and guests relate their perspectives about what NATO stands for, its strengths and limitations, and the threats it faces. Former NATO Deputy Sec General, Jamie Shea tells about how the organisation worked in the Balkans and Afghanistan, while Kori Schake mulls over the role of the US as NATO’s hegemonic leader. Timothy Garton Ash comments on distinctions between NATO and the EU especially as pertains to values like liberty. Finally, Charles Kupchan examines why Russia chooses to actively disorder. Charles and Jason disagree agreeable on China’s role as an orderer vs. disorderer.     Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Notes Links    For more on Kori Schake, visit here   For more on Jamie Shea, visit here    Get Timothy Garton Ash’s book, Homelands here   For more on Charles Kupchan, visit here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10 Okt 202354min

Migration has become one of the most emotive political topics. Fears surrounding the topic are essential to the rise of Neo-Populism. All the while, migration is increasing; over the past decade over 50 million more people have been moving internationally than in previous decades. So how does migration work (or not work) in our era of global disorder? What problems does it solve and what problems does it create? Can disordered migration be curbed and the benefits of ‘orderly’ migration achieved in a more regulated manner? Or do we have a humanitarian imperative to preserve even disorderly migration?    In this episode, Parag Khanna discusses how creating a transparent and fair global market for migrants could help optimize the economics behind migration. Lawrence Huang analyses how the current global management of migration operates and why the way Neo-Populists constant diatribes about ‘uncontrolled migration’ are harming any real attempts to order the space. In the ‘Ordering the Disorder’ segment, Alex and Jason debate what international coordination mechanisms are needed to deal with mass migration and whether coherent collective action could ever emerge to forge implementable solutions.    Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/climate-change-geopolitics     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Notes Link  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here    Get Parag Khanna’s book “Move: Where People Are going For A better future” here   For more on Lawrence Huang’s work visit here Read Alex's piece on migration for the Byline Times here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

3 Okt 202343min

It has long been held that the primary disorderers on the global stage are China and Russia. Let’s not forget, though, that medium powers, such as Iran, are also able to majorly disorder geopolitics. Meanwhile, imploded post-conflict countries like Libya are capable of injecting serious financial and jihadi contagion into neighbouring states and fuelling the Global Enduring Disorder.    In this episode, we discuss how the tooth and nail struggle for global leadership leads some states to play the role of disorderers. We also examine how failures to coordinate at the international level exacerbate problems on the ground. In specific, we break down how Iran promotes global disorder as a strategy to increase its influence (via an interview with Ali Ansari) and how Libya’s profound domestic disorder infects the global system (through talking to Stephanie Williams).      Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/struggle-for-global-leadership     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here  For more on Ali Ansari, visit here    For more from Stephanie Williams, visit here  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

26 Sep 202344min

Over the past few decades leaders like Trump, Orban, and Bolsonaro have ridden a wave of popular outrage to rise to power. But what came first: the Neo-Populists or the era of Global Enduring Disorder?    In this episode we chart the rise of the Neo-Populists, their impact on global order, and what we can do to stop them. Sean Wilentz explains the difference between real populism (like Bernie Sanders) and ‘faux’ or neo-populists (like Trump), while Anne Applebaum takes us through the missed opportunities and co-ordination failures of the post-Cold War years.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/neo-populism    Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links    For more from Anne Applebaum here      For more on Sean Wilentz here   For more on Jonathan Winer here   For more on Jamie Shea here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202343min

Although the birth of the internet was an interplay between American defense contractors and American tech firms, the US government actively chose to not regulate the commercial aspects of what it had birthed.     From disinformation to cyber warfare, how can we better control the internet and stop it from reinforcing the Global Enduring Disorder? In this episode, former FBI Agent Asha Rangappa helps us understand what makes these new technologies so disruptive and how the West’s adversaries understand the politics of cyberspace. War Correspondent David Patrikarakos tells us about the physical impact of these new technologies on ongoing conflicts. Both conclude that our leaders have been naïve about the fact that for more than a decade we have been facing an existential multi-front cyber-war.     Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/unregulated-cyberspace    Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links    For more from Asha Rangappa, subscribe to her email newsletter, The Freedom Academy here. She is also co-host of the podcast, It’s Complicated, with Renato Mariotti which you can find here.   Get David Patrikarakos’ book, War in 140 Characters: How Social Media Is Reshaping Conflict in the Twenty-First Century here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202346min

We are living through an unprecedented era. International institutions like the UN are incapable of tackling global challenges, disordering powers like China and Russia are actively promoting chaos rather than order, and democratic countries are not effectively coordinating on transnational threats. The result? An era of Global Enduring Disorder has swept the world. We see it in the rise and fall of Trump, Bolsonaro, and Boris, inaction on climate change, and never-ending civil wars in Yemen, Ukraine, Syria, and Libya.    In this episode, Jason Pack and Alexandra Hall Hall share their personal journeys and walk us through the fundamental features of our era of Disorder. We hear from esteemed historian Timothy Garton Ash, who will chart how the West has frayed, while author and podcaster Brian Klaas will tell us why democracies frequently pick the wrong leaders—especially in times of crisis.    Disorder is produced by George McDonagh. Theme music is “These Spreadsheets Make Me Sick” by Glass Boy. Other music is provided by Glass Boy and Luca La Morgia.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here     For more from Brian Klaas, subscribe to his substack here   Get Timothy Garton Ash’s book, Homelands here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202351min

Gone are the days of coherent international coordination. Rather than working together to solve pressing crises, many of the world’s most powerful states are actively making those crises worse. The result? We’re living through a novel historical era: The Global Enduring Disorder.     The Disorder podcast teases out the key principles that connect seemingly disparate challenges: from Climate Change to Tax Havens, to Unregulated Cyberspace, to the Wars in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya. Jason Pack, NATO Foundation Senior Analyst, and Alexandra Hall Hall, a former British Ambassador, discuss with world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, the fundamental principles lurking behind today’s global issues. At the conclusion of each episode, they will proposing inventive, win-win solutions to the globe’s most pressing challenges aka, ‘Ordering the Disorder’.    Website:  disordershow.com https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11 Sep 20232min