The High-Speed World Of ICOs: Smith and Crown Discuss Cryptoeconomics And The Future Of Tokens

The problem of low float, high fully diluted valuation (FDV) coins is one that is frequently discussed in crypto. But there’s another wrinkle: investors need to understand the unrealized gains of these coins to really understand the price.  In this episode, Jose Macedo of Delphi Digital and Ari Paul of Blocktower Capital explain the various metrics that reveal what a coin is really worth, why a wave of token unlocks that will be hitting the crypto markets in the next few years are not bullish, and whether there is a better way to design token unlocks for teams and insiders.  Plus, they cover whether venture capitalists are extractive to crypto, whether these games with circulating supply and FDV have caused investors to turn to memecoins, and why they believe the ICO era was better for retail investors.  Show highlights: 00:00 Intro 01:58 Why upcoming token unlocks are creating market jitters 10:22 How the ratio of unrealized gains to market cap influences token price movements  12:22 How some token projects manipulate their reported circulating supply 20:24 Whether and how everyday investors can uncover the truth about token projects 23:37 What secondary market trading says about the potential impact of upcoming token unlocks 34:50 Why Jose believes that the current token launch strategy, despite its flaws, is still favored by insiders and unlikely to change soon 41:02 Why some projects favor decisions that are more likely to result in short-term gains over long-term success 46:36 Why Jose believes that simple time-based token unlocks often work better than complex metrics, and how projects can balance funding with realistic success metrics 53:04 Why Ari believes the SEC's investigations into VCs for acting as securities dealers might be justified, and how these practices resemble pump-and-dump schemes 59:11 With numerous token unlocks looming, why the outlook is bearish for many projects, and what challenges they face in mitigating potential sell-offs 1:05:52 Why many crypto investors might end up holding the bag in the current cycle, despite plans to sell early and avoid losses 1:12:27 What the future role of VCs is in crypto, and how the influx of token unlocks and the rise of memecoins could shape the bull cycle Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Guests: Jose Macedo, founder at Delphi Labs Ari Paul, CIO of Blocktower Capital Previous appearances on Unchained: Ari Paul on Why Bitcoin Is a Good Value Buy Ari Paul of BlockTower Capital on the Crypto Downturn and Why It Could Change Direction Links High FDV and unlocks: Unchained: How ‘Fully Diluted Valuation’ Can Be a Very Dangerous Metric for Crypto Markets to Rely On Who’s to Blame for the Underperformance of Low Float, High FDV Tokens? 80% of Tokens on Binance Are Down Since Listing Date: SwissBorg Researcher Cobie newsletter: New launches (part 1) - private capture, phantom pricing Rocknblock: Token vesting explainer CoinDesk: 'Liquid Vesting' Is Oxymoronic Blockchain Feature That Lets Early Investors Sell Without Waiting Jose’s thread that inspired the episode Ari’s post responding to Jose’s thread Token.unlocks.app: Token vesting tracker Solutions: Hack VC: Potential Solutions to Crypto's Unlock Problem Colony Lab: Early-Stage Program & Liquid Vesting Imran Khan’s tweet on Blast https://x.com/lmrankhan/status/1806040646433522149  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2 Juli 20241h 27min

Ten and a half years after filing for bankruptcy, Mt. Gox is finally set to disburse 142,000 Bitcoin worth nearly $9 billion to creditors between July and October.  Market concern has been growing over the potential impact on Bitcoin prices, but Alex Thorn, head of research at Galaxy, explains why only a small fraction of those bitcoins will be sold. He also discusses the implications of this redistribution on the market, the potential success of Ethereum ETFs, and the chances of a Solana ETF approval. Show highlights: 00:00 Intro 02:04 Why Alex estimates the amount of bitcoins that creditors sell will be a tiny fraction of the 142,000 to be repaid  13:35 What market shocks could arise from Mt. Gox creditors receiving billions in Bitcoin, and why he believes Bitcoin Cash is the real wild card 18:18 Whether Ethereum ETFs could be as successful as Bitcoin ETFs in attracting investors 23:06 Whether potential outflows from Grayscale's Ethereum Trust will dampen the excitement around Ethereum ETFs 25:07 How the combination of Mt. Gox repayments, Ethereum ETFs, and German and American government Bitcoin sales might affect crypto prices 27:32 The chances the SEC approves a spot Solana ETF Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! iTrustCapital Polkadot Guest Alex Thorn, head of research at Galaxy Previous appearance on Unchained: How Much Money Will Flow Into Bitcoin ETFs? Here’s One Projection Links Mt. Gox. Unchained: Crypto Market Sees $300 Million Liquidated as Bitcoin Briefly Drops Below $59,000 CoinDesk: Mt. Gox to Begin Repayments in July Governments selling: Unchained: US Government Sends $241 Million in Bitcoin to Coinbase: Arkham Cointelegraph: German gov’t offloads 900 Bitcoin, 400 BTC sent to Coinbase and Kraken Solana ETF Reuters: Investment manager VanEck files to list first spot Solana ETF in US | Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

28 Juni 202444min

Last week, Consensys revealed that the SEC had concluded an investigation into Ethereum 2.0, referring to when Ethereum transitioned from a proof-of-work consensus mechanism to a proof-of-stake one. In this episode, Laura Brookover, senior counsel & head of litigation and investigations at Consensys, and Sam Enzer, partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel, explore the implications of this decision on Ether’s status as a commodity versus a security, and why the SEC dropped the pursuit, including whether the shifting political winds played a role. For instance, how much of the decision was influenced by the ETH ETF approvals, Democrats crossing party lines to vote for FIT21 and the repeal of SAB 121, and/or SEC crypto enforcement chief David Hirsch’s resignation?  In this discussion, they also explained why the closure doesn’t necessarily mean that staking, or restaking, is safe from the SEC. Plus, what’s the impact of this closure on the other big crypto cases, such as Coinbase, Kraken, Uniswap, and Ripple? Show highlights: 02:13 How Consensys managed to get the SEC to reveal that it had concluded its investigation into Ethereum 2.0, and the significance of that move 08:14 The SEC's possible reasoning behind investigating Ethereum after it had switched to proof of stake 15:19 How uncommon is it for the SEC to send a letter concluding an investigation like the one into Ethereum 18:45 Whether recent events around crypto as an election issue, the ETH ETF approvals, votes for FIT21 and the repeal of SAB121, and David Hirsch’s resignation, might be connected to the decision to close this investigation 29:03 Whether the Biden administration has shifted its stance on crypto and whether Gensler should remain as chair 33:24 How the SEC might still go after staking 37:18 Whether restaking, such as pioneered by EigenLayer, is safe from regulatory actions 39:13 Why the SEC might be pursuing different judgments in various jurisdictions for MetaMask and Coinbase Wallet 44:24 What crucial evidence from the closed Ethereum 2.0 investigation could strengthen Coinbase's defense in its ongoing lawsuit 47:58 Why the SEC's aggressive stance on various crypto enforcement actions seems to remain unchanged despite closing the Ethereum 2.0 investigation 52:13 Why Sam and Laura believe Solana should not be considered a security, despite the SEC naming it as such in various crypto cases 58:13 How the SEC’s argument about an “ecosystem” is nonsensical, according to Laura Brookover 01:00:31 What the implications of the closed investigation are for the cases of Kraken and Ripple 01:04:58 What Sam and Laura B. are watching out for in terms of regulation and ongoing legal cases Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Guests: Laura Brookover, Senior Counsel & Head of Litigation and Investigations at Consensys Previous appearance on Unchained: Consensys’s Lawsuit Against The SEC: Will It End Gensler's ‘Unlawful Power Grab’? Sam Enzer, Partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel Previous appearances on Unchained: The Real Reason Why the SEC Might Be Going After Ethereum How 'a Criminal Choice' Got Sam Bankman-Fried a 25-Year Prison Sentence Why the SEC’s Case Against Coinbase Is So Significant for Crypto Why SBF’s Testimony So Far Has Likely Already Doomed Him Another Bad Week for Sam Bankman-Fried in His Criminal Trial Why These Lawyers Say It’s Over for SBF-But His Only Hail Mary Is to Testify SBF Trial: How Sam Bankman-Fried’s Lawyers Might Try and Win His Case SBF’s Lawyers Could Be Annoying the Judge How Might That Impact the Trial? For more links visit UnchainedCrypto.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

25 Juni 20241h 12min

LayerZero’s token claims went live on Thursday, and as with every recent airdrop, there was plenty of controversy. In this episode, Bryan Pellegrino, cofounder and CEO of LayerZero Labs, joined to discuss their ambitious anti-Sybil campaign and the subsequent token distribution. He delved into the challenges of ensuring genuine user participation, the decision to offer a self-report option for Sybil attackers, and the complexities imposed by industrial-grade farmers. Bryan shared what he would have done differently and why a mandatory donation to Protocol Guild was imposed. Also, are airdrops dead? How can the industry improve this not-so-effective distribution method?  Show highlights: 00:00 Intro 01:23 Why LayerZero launched an anti-Sybil campaign with its airdrop, and what challenges they faced in ensuring genuine user participation 04:51 Why LayerZero offered a self-report option for Sybil attackers, and how this strategy revealed both the complexities and the creativity within the crypto community 10:16 How the anti-Sybil campaign uncovered over a million fraudulent accounts 14:34 What Bryan would have done differently in their campaign 17:18 What alternative methods, such as KYC and proof-of-humanity protocols, LayerZero could have used for their anti-Sybil campaign 18:35How LayerZero navigated the cat-and-mouse game with industrial airdrop farmers 23:08 Why they decided to impose a donation to Protocol Guild to claim the ZRO token 32:07 What caused the dramatic drop in LayerZero's activity post-announcement of their anti-Sybil campaign, and why the team is optimistic despite the decline 35:23 LayerZero's plans for future airdrops  38:40 What Bryan thinks the future holds for airdrops in crypto, and how the current broken system can be improved to achieve better distribution and user engagement 42:43 Crypto News Recap Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! iTrustCapital Polkadot Guest Bryan Pellegrino, cofounder and CEO of LayerZero Labs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

21 Juni 202456min

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra explore the latest trends in the crypto world. In this episode, we dive into the impact of celebrity-endorsed memecoins, featuring discussions around Iggy Azalea's 'Mother' token, Waka Flocka Flame's 'Flocka' token, and other celebrities. We debate the broader implications of these phenomena on the crypto market, address criticisms of venture capital's role in crypto, and explore the seasonal nature of crypto trading. Tune in for an in-depth look at how pop culture intersects with cryptocurrency, shaping current market sentiment. Show highlights 🔹 Seasonality in Crypto: Exploration of the historical seasonal trends in crypto markets and their implications. 🔹 Memecoins & Celebrities: Insightful discussion on the rise of celebrity-launched memecoins and their impact on the crypto world. 🔹 Market Cycles: Exploration of the different phases in market cycles and their effects on asset creation and liquidation. 🔹 VC Funding in Crypto: Examination of the role of venture capital in the crypto ecosystem and its impact on market dynamics. 🔹 VC vs. Liquid Funds: Debate on whether venture capital funds are beneficial or detrimental to the crypto markets. 🔹 Institutional and Retail Adoption: The importance of growing crypto usage among both institutions and retail investors. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly  ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:58 Market Sentiment 07:34 Celebrity Involvement in Crypto 16:00 Celebrity Coins vs Endorsements  25:24 Influencer Economy and Social Tokens 27:41 Legibility and Value of Memecoins 28:37 Crypto Influencers 31:07 VCs vs. Retail 36:50 Future of Crypto Markets 43:53 Institutional vs. Retail Adoption 50:45 Taking on Populist Takes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Juni 202452min

A few weeks after its launch, Iggy Azalea's MOTHER memecoin is still in the spotlight. Host Joe McCann, who recently had dinner with her in New York, gives the inside scoop on how Iggy’s $MOTHER came to be, plus her plans.  Also, Joe says Iggy is so bullish on Solana because it’s fast and cheap… but James Seyffart counters… nothing can be fast, cheap, and good. Except ETFs. Guests Phil Bonello and Kelly Greer delve into the role of venture capital in crypto, and more particularly into dynamics between liquid hedge funds and massive token generation events. And James tells a mind-blowing story about how one ETF and obscure SEC rules could cause whiplash to the prices of Apple and Nvidia stock over the next few months.  Plus, after SEC head enforcer David Hirsch resigned from the SEC this week, everyone gave their takes on why. Is Hirsch going to BlackRock, or was he scared about a potential lawsuit? Show highlights: 00:51 The real story behind Iggy Azalea's MOTHER memecoin and the controversy between Joe and Haseeb Qureshi 07:26 Why Iggy is bullish on Solana, and whether MOTHER is a hopeful case for crypto, reflecting the evolving relationship between entertainment and Web3 12:35 Whether the market has already topped, given the involvement of celebrities in the industry 15:32 Whether VCs are extractive to the overall space, and how liquid funds and token unlocks impact the performance of assets 21:17 Why venture funds and hedge funds have different approaches to liquid crypto investments, and how memecoins are changing the game for allocators 33:18 Why there’s a 0% chance that SOL gets an ETF this year 34:19 What the recent macro trends point to, whether inflation going down is sustainable, and whether rate cuts are coming 43:32 Why Nvidia's rapid growth is about to trigger a multi-billion dollar rebalance in tech ETFs, and how both $NVDA’s and $AAPL’s stock prices might soon seesaw  54:35 The theories about why the SEC’s chief crypto enforcer David Hirsch resigned from the agency (hint: it might have to do with the election) 59:52 Why James believes Ethereum ETFs will launch on July 2 and what amount of inflows the ETH ETFs might garner, esp. considering potential ETHE outflows Hosts: James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Joe McCann, Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric Guests: Kelly Greer, Vice President of Trading at Galaxy Philip Bonello, Founding Partner at Plaintext Capital Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Juni 20241h 10min

The political landscape in the US is heating up with the November elections, and the crypto industry is watching closely.  In this episode, Anthony Scaramucci, founder of SkyBridge, doesn’t mince words and explains why he believes Joe Biden is the best choice—even for the crypto voter—in the upcoming election, the significance of the Ethereum ETF approval, and how the industry has overcome significant regulatory hurdles.  Scaramucci also shares his insights on the future of Bitcoin ETFs, the role of younger generations in driving crypto policy, and why Solana might be the next big thing.  Show highlights: 02:05 Why Anthony believes there’s only one choice in this election: Joe Biden 07:03 Why he thinks the crypto industry “has already won” 16:27 Whether the crypto industry should trust Trump with his pro-crypto comments 17:20 Why Anthony is convinced that the Biden administration has stopped its anti-crypto stance, even with the veto of the SAB 121 repeal 21:26 Why Anthony believes crypto is becoming a bipartisan issue, and how younger generations are driving this change in Washington 28:05 What three key elements would ideally be included in crypto legislation to ensure clarity and industry involvement in regulation 30:49 What happened to SkyBridge after selling a stake to FTX, and how they are riding the industry's “upswing” 38:00 What developments in Bitcoin ETFs could signal its recognition as an asset class and drive institutional adoption 40:00 What led SkyBridge to abandon its Bitcoin ETF application 43:23 What Anthony thinks is the best pitch for a spot Ether ETF to TradFi, and how expected inflows compare to Bitcoin ETFs 49:11 Anthony’s praise of Laura’s book 51:55 Why Anthony believes a Solana ETF might be the next big thing in crypto, despite SEC scrutiny and the need for a futures market first 55:20 Why SkyBridge is actively seeking new acquisitions and partnering with Parcl, a Solana-based decentralized real estate trading app 59:44 What Anthony's bullish predictions for Bitcoin and Ethereum are in the current cycle Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Guest: Anthony Scaramucci, Founder and Managing Partner at SkyBridge Links Recent coverage of Unchained on the political scenario in the US: How the U.S. Government Can Protect the Dollar Through Stablecoins Why Many Democrats, Including the White House, Have Come Around on Crypto Senator Cynthia Lummis on Why Crypto Now Has Bipartisan Support in Congress Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

18 Juni 20241h 5min

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra explore the latest trends in the crypto world. In this episode, we dive into the impact of celebrity-endorsed memecoins, featuring Iggy Azalea's new coin 'Mother' and Andrew Tate's 'Daddy.' We discuss how these phenomena influence the broader crypto market, recent trends in airdrops, and the challenge of Sybil resistance. Additionally, we explore the permissionless nature of crypto and the trade-offs involved in fun and chaotic projects, including the explosive rise of 'Hamster Kombat.' Tune in for an in-depth look at how pop culture intersects with the core principles of cryptocurrency, shaping current market sentiment. Show highlights 🔹 Crypto Market Sentiment: Discussion on the latest market trends and how inflation numbers are impacting the community.  🔹 Memecoins & Celebrities: Analysis of Iggy Azalea's $Mother and the phenomenon of celebrity-launched memecoins.  🔹 Emerging Memecoins: Insights into new memecoins, including issues with fake and hacked accounts.  🔹 Tap-to-Earn Games: Overview of the rapid growth of simple click-based games like Hamster Kombat.  🔹 Airdrop Controversies: Exploration of recent controversies, particularly involving zkSync and LayerZero, and challenges of Sybil attacks.  🔹 Future Airdrop Strategies: Discussion on the evolution and need for clear, ungameable metrics. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly  ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

14 Juni 20241h 4min