Harini Kannan on React Native - Episode 129

Harini Kannan on React Native - Episode 129

Joining Jeffrey today is Harini Kannan! Harini is a Program Manager in the Windows Developer Experiences and Platform team — a fast-moving and exciting team at Microsoft! Her team's charter influences a lot of different technologies from WinUI to XAML to WPF to React Native for Windows, and more! Their team connects everything around enabling the Windows native UI stack to be the best, most powerful, and the most modern technology that people can target to build really solid apps for Windows. They're always jumping on the latest technology and trying to give people the latest stuff with the best quality!

Over the last two years, the team has been building an incredible, one-of-a-kind collaboration across many other teams within Microsoft, with the goal of bringing React Native to Windows.

In their conversation together, Jeffrey and Harini dive into everything that her team does regarding React Native (as well as lots of other topics when it comes to rich and stateful native applications!) She shares how to build, deploy, and operate with React Native for Windows, the team's journey of adapting React Native to work on Windows, and shares her recommendations on getting started.

Topics of Discussion:

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[1:00] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:20] Clear Measure is hiring! Be sure to check out the link in the show notes.

[1:29] About Jeffrey's newest podcast, Architect Tips! If you would like your question to be answered on Architect Tips, you can submit it at: ArchitectTips.ClearMeasure.com!

[1:47] About today's episode with Harini Kannan.

[2:12] Jeffrey welcomes Harini to The Azure DevOps Podcast.

[2:10] Harini gives a rundown of what she does within the Windows Developer Experiences and Platform team and what the team is currently focusing on.

[4:18] Harini introduces herself, shares career highlights, and how she has arrived at Microsoft in her current role.

[5:44] Over the last decade, the development technologies have fallen out of the forefront. Would Harini say that it is truly coming back?

[7:58] What is React Native?

[9:08] Harini shares about the team's journey of adapting React Native to work on Windows.

[9:47] Harini shares a public example of React Native apps for Windows.

[11:19] When it comes to React Native, does it matter what you have on the server-side or what it calls out to?

[11:32] What does the common integrated development environment (IDE) look like for React Native? What does the code structure look like when put in source control?

[13:56] Is the general layout HTML and CSS?

[15:07] For automated testing, do the Javascript testing libraries work? And for the things that are intertwined with those controls, where you have to have the application running, what is the applicable testing scenario? And what are the tools that work? How does this all play out in this application type?

[16:31] Full system testing has been one of those things that still isn't finished. Harini shares her comments and insights on this topic and where she sees the future of full system testing going.

[18:35] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[19:05] When packaging up a React Native application, is there anything special that one thinks about across Android, IoS, and Windows, when preparing that build for deployment into the app stores?

[20:00] What does it mean to embed into a Windows Native app? What does that look like?

[22:21] How much of React Native is Javascript or Typescript translated to Javascript?

[23:13] Are most of the apps that Harini has spoken about thus far, Typescript?

[23:30] When does Harini recommend Typescript over Javascript?

[24:25] What are some of the ways to get these apps on Windows computers?

[25:05] What does the telemetry or the observability story look like for React Native? What might have special support in React Native from knowing what your users are doing?
[26:45] How should people think about feature flags with React Native?

[28:10] What's next for React Native?

[30:33] How React Native interacts with Xamarin.

[31:55] Does Harini have any insider information on why some people choose another technology over React Native?

[34:26] Harini recommends some go-to resources to learn more!

[35:40] Jeffrey thanks Harini Kannan for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow
React Native

React Native Windows

WinUI

XAML

WPF

Silverlight

Xbox Game Pass

Visual Studio Code (VSCode)

Yoga Layout
Jest

WinAppDriver

Appium

The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep.80: "Ryan Demopoulos on WinUI"

Typescript

Xamarin
React Native at Microsoft on Twitter @ReactNativeMFST

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Greg Leonardo: Architecting for Azure  - Episode 205

Greg Leonardo: Architecting for Azure - Episode 205

Greg is a Cloud Architect that assists organizations with cloud adoption and innovation and is currently a Public Cloud Architect at AT&T. He has been working in the IT industry since his time in the military and is a developer, teacher, speaker, and early adopter. Greg has worked in many facets of IT throughout his career and is currently the president of TampaDev a community meetup that runs #TampaCC and various technology events throughout Tampa. Greg holds a certification as a Microsoft Certified Azure Solutions Architect Expert, Microsoft Certified Trainer, and is an Azure MVP. Topics of Discussion: [2:45] Businesses still struggle with how to manage costs, even with all the new things that have surfaced in Azure. [3:30] Understanding your cost structures is critical. [6:20] What does the mindset look like? [6:43] What the heck is a Microsoft Certified Azure solutions architect expert? [9:09] The biggest thing that Greg can impress upon architects is that you're not always in control of your own destiny. [10:01] What is Greg's favorite Diagramming Method or diagramming tool? [11:52] How does one go about making decisions and projecting what the monthly bill is going to be for a given application? [16:20] When building a service, Greg tries to start in the serverless arena, and then moves up from there. [25:13] What is the direction we are heading with Azure? [28:33] The go-to solutions that Greg has his teams use for just their individual network security for their own computer when they're not in a corporate building. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Greg Leonardo Takes an Azure Deep Dive Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

8 Aug 202231min

Daniel Roth: Blazor Futures - Episode 204

Daniel Roth: Blazor Futures - Episode 204

Daniel Roth is a principal product manager on the ASP.NET team working on ASP.NET Core, Blazor, and other web features. He has previously worked on various parts of .NET, including System.Net, WCF, XAML, and ASP.NET. His passions include building frameworks for modern Web frameworks that are simple and easy to use. Topics of Discussion: [2:45] Daniel talks about the high points of his career that led him to the ASP.NET team, along with a few changes he has seen in the industry, along the way. [6:25] The developer ecosystems have been opened up. [7:40] Daniel talks about Blazor Hybrid. [9:43] If you have a web app, and you want to just reuse that UI within a native client app, you can have a common set of Blazor components that are used across both. [10:28] Daniel talks about .NET 7 and how they are taking it to the next level. [14:46] The Blazor Native Experiment is available through a project called the Mobile Blazor Bindings Project. [24:03] Jeffrey asks Daniel about his favorite ways that people should be testing the UI level of Blazor Applications. [27:03] What people should be expecting in the next year. [34:16] Tooling and debugging is an area we can continue to actively invest in. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! "Daniel Roth On Web Development With .Net 6" "Egil Hansen on Blazor Testing with bUnit" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

1 Aug 202240min

Kendall Roden: Azure Container Apps - Episode 203

Kendall Roden: Azure Container Apps - Episode 203

Kendall is a Senior Product Manager for Azure Container Apps based out of Austin, TX. When she's not working, Kendall enjoys being outdoors, teaching spin classes, and hanging out with her cat, Koda. Topics of Discussion: [3:46] Kendall talks about starting in consulting and building her skill set in customer empathy and understanding the pain points that developers are experiencing. [4:13] Even if it makes you uncomfortable, lean in as much as you can to opportunities for technical training. [7:16] What interested Kendall in working on things that are more in running applications vs. doing frameworks for building applications? [8:09] Even if you're in operations at an organization, your overall objective is to help developers be more productive and focus on what's making the company money and help them operate on what their core value proposition is for their customers. [11:35] Kendall discusses Azure Container Apps and starts with App Service. [21:02] Is Kendall working on Windows adapting containers? [24:02] Do you have more control in container apps than you do in App Service, or does that limitation still stay the same? [30:45] Kendall forecasts the future of container ops adoption and that we will see more and more cohesiveness in terms of the Azure portfolio. [31:40] What does the pricing model look like? [41:54] Kendall would recommend at least starting with the Azure Architecture Center. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Kendall Roden on Microsoft Cloud Kendall Roden Twitter The Azure Podcast Kendall Roden LinkedIn Kendall Roden GitHub Azure Container Apps Samples Azure-Samples Youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5rXtjltSImRsDw-sqr3wUDyG_IwlV_HN Azure Container Apps discord server Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

25 Juli 202244min

Steve Sanderson: The future of Blazor and WebAssembly - Episode 202

Steve Sanderson: The future of Blazor and WebAssembly - Episode 202

Steve Sanderson is working as a developer for Microsoft in the team that brings you the ASP.NET technology stack, IIS, and other web things. Previously he developed .NET software as a contractor/consultant for clients in Bristol and beyond, plus wrote some books for Apress, such as Pro ASP.NET MVC Framework. From time to time, he speaks at user groups and conferences and recently has been running a bunch of training courses on topics such as C#, SQL Server, and of course ASP.NET MVC. Steve has been instrumental in some very visible projects. He started the Knockout.js project in 2010, an early javascript UI framework. He also designed the Azure Portal architecture that anyone using Azure uses daily. Topics of Discussion: [4:07] Steve talks about the main steps that got him into Microsoft and his role in Blazor. [9:04] How does running SQLite in Blazor work? [13:35] Are there limitations on how long we can have it live between browser sessions? [15:36] Maui has been the biggest focus for the Blazor team throughout .NET. [22:36] What is the path of WebAssembly in the family of technologies? [23:11] What is WASI? [33:03] What does Steve see in the future and how might we be able to bridge more divides? [35:36] Steve mentions the different services to check out. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Steve Sanderson .NET Blog WebAssembly Steve was a guest on the Azure DevOps Podcast back in episode 106 in September of 2020. Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

18 Juli 202239min

Greg Young: CQRS and EventSourcing- Episode 201

Greg Young: CQRS and EventSourcing- Episode 201

Greg Young is an independent consultant and serial entrepreneur. He has 10-plus years of varied experience in computer science from embedded operating systems to business systems and he brings a pragmatic and often unusual viewpoint to discussions. Greg coined the term "CQRS" (Command Query Responsibility Segregation) and it was instantly picked up by the community who have elaborated upon it ever since. He's a frequent contributor to InfoQ, a speaker/trainer at Skills Matter, and also a well-known speaker at international conferences. Topics of Discussion: [3:24] Greg talks about being poached from university and his path to computer science, starting in the lottery and horse racing systems. [7:25] Greg defines CQRS at the base level. [9:24] What is event sourcing? [11:25] How does it look in database technology? [19:19] How does asynchronous processing work with event sourcing? [22:44] Greg talks about causation ID and correlation ID. [26:49] If someone is running on Azure, what technology would be associated with the stream of event sourcing? [27:27] When you're event sourcing, your events are your concept of truth. [28:15] What's the relationship between event sourcing and CQRS? [31:16] How has Greg's method of explaining these concepts changed over time? [31:36] When you teach something, you both get a better understanding of the thing that you're teaching, and you get a better understanding of how to teach it to somebody. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Greg Young Twitter Greg Young GitHub Event Store Greg Young YouTube Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

11 Juli 202238min

Tomas Petricek: Cultures of Programming - Episode 200

Tomas Petricek: Cultures of Programming - Episode 200

Tomas Petricek is a lecturer at the University of Kent and a partner at fsharpWorks. He believes that the most fundamental work is not the one solving hard problems, but the one that offers new ways of thinking. He follows this belief in his academic research on programming systems and the history and philosophy of computing, but also in his writing on functional programming and in his F# training and consulting. Before joining Kent, Tomas did a Ph.D. on context-aware computations at the University of Cambridge, worked on F# tools in Microsoft Research, and built novel tools for data exploration at The Alan Turing Institute. Topics of Discussion: [4:19] The Turing Institute, and a little bit more about Alan Turing. [6:01] How can we distill 70 years into something understandable in a reasonable period? [8:52] What were the early cultures of programming? [14:00] Fortran programming and how ALGOL was designed by a sort of more academic crowd as a universal programming language. [15:00] We hear some well wishes from listeners and past guests for the 200th episode! Thank you! [21:27] Tomas discusses hacker culture and how the term programmer has changed over the years. [26:06] Tomas's prediction on where the culture of programming is going next. [27:03] The amazing ad for a programming system called Flow-Matic. [29:22] Why we need escape hatches is because there is a fundamental flaw with no-code and low-code approaches. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Cultures of Programming Sonic-Pi.NET Tomas Petricek Twitter fsharpworks Twitter Tomas Petricek Website Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

4 Juli 202242min

Daniel Vacanti: Measuring Agile Software Teams - Episode 199

Daniel Vacanti: Measuring Agile Software Teams - Episode 199

Daniel is a 20-year software industry veteran who got his start as a Java Developer/Architect. He has spent most of the last 15 years focusing on Lean and Agile Practices. In 2007, he helped develop the Kanban Method for knowledge work. He even managed the world's first project implementation of Kanban that year and, ever since, has been conducting Kanban training, coaching, and consulting. As the co-founder and CEO of ActionableAgile, Daniel provides industry-leading predictive analytics tools and services for any Lean-Agile process. Topics of Discussion: [4:19] Daniel explains why he feels as though the right curriculum is not yet taught in college. [8:00] It's important to bridge your conversations both in terms of the risk and your ability to deliver on a date in terms of risk. Then, you can have a conversation about what you want to do as a business to mitigate the risks and also accept that they are there in the first place. [10:14] Daniel explains his more data-informed approach when asked how long something is going to take. Jeffrey asks, but how do we find the data that helps us make informed decisions in the first place? [14:43] What are those numbers that give the right visibility? [16;03] The four aspects every manager of a software team should have at their disposal and be monitoring: Work in progress Throughput Cycle Time The age of items that they are working on right now [19:00] Our ability to come up with ideas is always going to outstrip our ability to execute them. That's why backlogs grow over time. [21:49] Daniel explains the method to go from using Azure DevOps to having numbers at your disposal, and what are the two important pieces of data that you need? [24:41] How does the ActionableAgile tool help when every team board is totally different? [28:44] If your engineering practices are continuous, your process should be continuous as well. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Daniel's previous interview: "Daniel Vacanti On ActionableAgile" Daniel's latest book: When Will It Be Done? LinkedIn: danielvacanti Twitter: @danvacanti Email: Daniel@ActionableAgile.com ActionableAgile Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

27 Juni 202238min

Andrew Lock: Web Applications in .NET6 - Episode 198

Andrew Lock: Web Applications in .NET6 - Episode 198

Andrew Lock is a senior software engineer at Datadog, working out of Devon, in the UK. He is a Microsoft MVP, Author of ASP.NET Core in Action, and has an active blog all about his experience working with .NET and ASP.NET Core. Topics of Discussion: [3:35] Andrew discusses the high points in his programming career that steered him to work with .Net6. [5:30] Andrew walks us through all the .NET frameworks and demystifies the overwhelm around all the options. [9:38] Andrew's favorite method at the moment for web applications on top of .NET is Razor Pages. [12:53] Does anyone really want web applications? [15:31] Andrew explains his philosophy and experience and guidance on testing. [19:18] Is there any kind of structure or pattern that people should be thinking about to keep the classroom lessons not overflowing? [26:16] What web applications would Andrew recommend? [30:19] The topic of custom applications and components comes up. Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's YouTube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! ASP.NET — email jeffrey@clear-measure.com for a chance to win a free copy of ASP.NET Core in Action from Andrew Lock. — available book discount code: — Permanent discount code for Manning publications (35% off I believe), for all listeners, podazdev19 Carter Project Andrew Lock | LinkedIn | Github | Endpoints Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

20 Juni 202234min

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